A Kashmiri Pandit And A Kashmiri Muslim Debate On Article 370Otis Rodgers August 14, 2019 99 Comments
The Government issued a letter asking all
the pilgrims and tourists to evacuate Kashmir, why?
Because you want to keep the Kashmiris back there for the lockdown.
You just want to shut them down. They can’t even voice their opinions.
You could have kept the pilgrims there and done the same.
Why did you ask all the pilgrims and tourists to leave?
It’s all about the Kashmiri land and not the Kashmiri people.
You say that Kashmir is an integral part of India but you haven’t done anything to prove
that. Kashmir is an integral part of India and not
the Kashmiris. Right now, every Kashmiri is disheartened
and disappointed. No. No.
These are all mere words. One minute, listen to me.
Should I call my uncle, who’s also a Kashmiri Pandit? I know that side of the story. But I also know that when we fled Kashmir, did any minister or
Hurriyat member ask us to stay or say “we are here for you”?
It was a political gimmick. That is the whole point.
So, if they also played a political game, why are you feeling bad? Uncle, one second, don’t you think you’re saying things out of revenge? Something wrong happened to you, I acknowledge that. But now, you will let the same happen to others? No, nothing wrong is happening.
So, you are saying nothing wrong happened with you? What happened with us was very wrong. At 3 in the morning, I fled with my family
and children, hiding in the back of a truck. I agree with you.
These sweet words can’t alter anything now. According to me, it is just your revenge that
is saying all of this. You think if something bad happened to you,
it should happen to others as well. No, not at all.
What is it then? When you raise your finger against the army…
What is the army supposed to do? A soldier is given the orders to serve at
a post and there he is pelted with stones. Have you tried to understand its reasons? I just very recently spent two months in Kashmir
and I go there every year. You go there every year, right?
Yes, every year. How did the people treat you there? No. Tell me now. Listen…
Slow down… One minute…
Kashmiri people are very good. My Kashmiri Muslim friends pick me directly
from the airport. We have our own house there, but first, we
go to their house. I stay and eat at their house.
But when it comes to the Army or about India, their minds change.
That’s what I am saying. There’s a reason behind this.
What could the reason be? Do you know about the Kunan Poshpora incident? My house is a mere 5 km from there. When you are aware of it, then?
These are the reasons, sir. I am not saying that you are wrong.
What happened to you was totally wrong. I lost my youth in this struggle.
I agree. I know Kashmiri Pandits who are like family.
Even I have family friends back in the valley. The family that I stay with when I go back
to Kashmir made a new house and they saved a separate room for just me.
Now you see! This is what I was talking about. But, hold on.
When it comes to India their stance is clear. They hate India.
Why? Haven’t you asked?
They all have been brainwashed by the Hurriyat. They have brainwashed all of Kashmir?
Yes, of course. What about the people who are living outside,
in India, Canada? One minute, I have to say something. Something wrong happened to you,
we acknowledge that. But don’t you feel it is your revenge that justifies if it happened to you, it’s okay
that it happens to others too. No, nothing wrong is happening.
Second thing, it’s possible to brainwash one or two Kashmiris, but how is it possible to
brainwash the entire valley? If the Indian government cared about Kashmiris,
then why did this lockdown happen around Eid. We haven’t spoken to our families in four
days. Why? Isn’t this a basic human right? If this was happening in a different country,
they would have been locked up by now. If you are talking about Eid, then think about
the Amarnath yatra, which was also postponed. This happened because the Centre was concerned
about the safety in the valley. Tourists have always been safe in Kashmir.
Were the Kashmiris safe in the 90’s? What are you talking about?
Who makes the climb with the tourists on their horses? They are Kashmiris. They just do it for their money.
Where was the bus driver from, who was shot dead whilst protecting the tourists from the
terrorists? He was a Kashmiri.
He was not from the army. And it is the duty of every country’s army
to protect its citizens, not just of the Indian Army. But it is their duty to protect the citizens, not to lock them up.
So, what do you want, brother? Sir, I don’t want anything. We were just talking.
We just want that we can talk to our families. You are right from your point of view, and
he is right from his. There is no solution to this.
You are absolutely right from your point of view. Even I am a Kashmiri. You are right, but if you see this situation
like an Indian, you’ll realize that nothing bad happened.
I am standing with you, right? You are absolutely right from where you stand.
But if you understand his point of view, he is also correct.
I fight with my relatives just because I love India. You love India, that is right. But the majority of Kashmiris hate India.
I’ll tell you why. My head was hung in shame.
You are not saying anything wrong. One second, I’ll tell you why I felt humiliated.
I felt humiliated when my friends from the US and UK asked me why my family was locked
down, why I haven’t spoken to them for five days. This was bound to happen. This happened in Punjab as well.