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Australian Footballer FIRED For Being Christian??! | Israel Folau


Hi everyone, I hope you’re all well. So, today I’m going to talk about
something that, while happening in Australia, is very very relevant to
the kind of culture war debate surrounding freedom of expression
and freedom of religion. This story has been dominating the
headlines in Australia for literally months now, and while I wish it
would go away because I am so sick of talking about it, it is actually
worth talking about. As an ideological study, it raises some good
questions, about, for instance, just how much power should corporations
have to influence or limit their employees moral and
religious expression. Where is the line between enforcing employee
etiquette, and thought-policing the workers? Or the line between ensuring a safe,
friendly working environment, and dictating what personal views
people are and aren’t allowed to have? I’m talking, of course, and
you Aussies will know what I’m going to say…about Israel Folau. So, for any foreigners out there; I have a
story to tell you. A tale of
faith, vitriol, hysteria, and indeed, heartbreak. It is, in all seriousness,
quite an epic tale to be honest, so get comfy, because there’s quite a
lot to take in. Israel Folau is a rugby player, who plays
for Australia’s national team the Wallabies. For all you Americans; rugby is like the
NFL, but hardcore and without all the padding He is also from Tonga, and grew up as a Mormon,
but now describes himself as a born-again Christian. And as a born-again Christian who
used to be a Mormon, he has some very particular views about what
is and isn’t appropriate behaviour, which includes a few strong views
about homosexuality…and he is not afraid to express them. Israel first turned heads in 2017 when he
went against his employer Rugby Australia’s public stance, and tweeted
that he did not support same sex marriage, saying that while he “loves
and respects all people for who they are and their
opinions. He,
personally, will not support gay marriage.” This was during the rather turbulent political
time in Australia leading up to the plebiscite we had on whether
same sex marriage should be legalised. Ultimately, the yes vote won. However, before
the result, the landscape was pretty vile. Anybody who admitted
they planned to vote no risked being horribly abused and publicly
shamed as a raging homophobe. Indeed, our former Prime Minister Tony Abbott,
who is socially conservative and against gay marriage, was
headbutted in the face by a yes voter. Not that Tony Abbott is a homophobe; his sister
is a lesbian and he’s entirely accepting of her
and her relationship. He’s
just a traditionalist, there is a differnce. But, to the raging activists on
the yes side of things, this very important distinction was not
recognised. So you can imagine, then, what the noisy reaction
was to Israel when he very diplomatically made his stance known
on the issue. It was
feral. And considering the fact the Wallabies major
sponsor, Qantas Airways, is very pro same sex marriage and
whose CEO, Alan Joyce, is a gay man and a big leftie, Israel’s stance
was somewhat frowned upon by certain echelons of upper management,
shall we say. However, no action was taken. The second instance of Israel making his views
on homosexuality known was in April 2018 on Instagram, when,
in response to someone’s question of what he thought God’s
plan for gay people was, he replied, “hell, unless they repent
of their sins and turn to God” Okay, what we can already see here is that
Israel Folau’s views on homosexuality are fairly stock standard, fundamentalist
Christian stuff; that homosexuality is a behavioural
choice rather than a sexual preference, and that it is a sin like any
other sinful behaviour that people choose to engage in, but that Jesus
loves them regardless and they can be saved if they repent and turn
to God. This is something I vehemently disagree with,
I do not believe being gay is a sin, and if I had Israel in a room
I would love to have a civil discussion with him about it, but it’s not
what you would call a hateful belief, so to speak. In Folau’s mind, and those with the same
beliefs, this attitude is motivated by love and care for their fellow
men, and a desire to see them saved. To each their own. It should be noted here; Israel’s mindset
is very different to that of mainstream Australia. Australians are, by and large, pretty socially liberal when it comes to gay rights. The attitude is, if two blokes or
birds what to get married, well, why not. Nobody cares that much,
which is why same sex marriage was voted in, even in conservative
leaning areas. People don’t care. Anyway, after this second incident, Israel
was given a talking to by the higher ups at Rugby Australia, namely
it’s boss, Ralene Castle. He
did not receive a breach of either his contract or the player code of
conduct, and was instead counselled to present his religious views in
a more respectful, loving, positive manner. Bear that in mind; there
was no breach, but it was made very clear to him that Rugby
Australia did not want that kind of commentary publicly from him. This brings me to the climax of this epic
tale. In April this year, Israel
posted this graphic on Instagram It is a paraphrase of 1
Corinthians 6:9-11 in the New King James Version, which, as you can
see, says that drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators,
thieves, atheists, and idolaters, which I think means Catholics, are
going to hell unless they repent. According to this list, everyone is a sinner,
I mean, even if you’re not any of the other things, everyone has told
a lie at some point. Again,
very stock standard fundy Christian stuff. Anyway, you can guess what happened next. Social media
EXPLODED. And I don’t mean the drunks, adulterers,
liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, and idolaters
or their advocates. The
only people on Israel’s list who were up in arms were, of course,
LGBT activists, mostly on the far left, many of which weren’t even gay. For some reason, all the other sinners got
eclipsed in the fray, and Israel was painted as a giant homophobe. This issue initially was given an extraordinarily
disproportionate amount of media attention and social media
hate. I mean who really
cares what his point of view on the gays is. We know his views by
now, we know he’s not afraid to express them, he wasn’t inciting
violence or anything like that, he wasn’t even just talking about just
gay people in this one, I didn’t really understand why it got so much
lasting publicity. But then again; Israel is a Christian, it
is, nowadays, very very trendy to denigrate Christians. So, how did Rugby Australia react this time? They sacked him. So, Israel decided to take them to court for
unfair dismissal under the Fair Work Act. As such, he set up a GoFundMe campaign to
fund his legal fees, and within a couple of days
had already raised $700,000. But believe it or not, the campaign was taken
down by GoFundMe, because they said they didn’t
want anything on their platform that promoted exclusion or discrimination. This seems odd, because Israel wasn’t promoting
exclusion or discrimination. Like I said, he wasn’t saying gay people’s
rights should be taken away, or inciting violence against
them, nothing like that. All of which is ironic, considering GoFundMe
kept up pages funding other religious faiths that are certainly
not friendly to homosexuals. In other words, GoFundMe is full of crap,
but then again, they have aligned themselves firmly with Pride Month,
and are constantly promoting trendy progressive causes, so I
guess we shouldn’t be surprised. All of this has split Australia into three
ideological camps; those who believe this is a free speech issue, those
who feel his sacking was regrettable but an issue of branding, and
those who are more than happy he’s been fired because they think
what he said was unacceptable and should not be allowed to
be said in public. But, the
big legal issue that has been raised is did Rugby Australia infringe on
Israel Folau peacefully practicing his religion, which, in Australia you
are not allowed to do as an employer. We have laws against that. This gives rise to the overriding question,
which is; how much influence should private corporations have
in the moral, political, and religious expression of their employees? Where is the line
between ensuring employee etiquette, and infringing on people’s
right to free expression? Well, considering Israel is taking Rugby Australia
to court, we may just find out. There is no legal precedent for this in Australia,
none. This will be a landmark case, and indeed,
indicative of where Australia sits when it comes to freedom of
speech. So! Here are some things to bear in mind. In defence of Rugby
Australia; Israel knew full well that his bosses would not condone this
kind of talk. He had been well and truly warned. Also, as a fantastic
Australia journalist Joe Hildebrand pointed out; it’s a bit rich to turn
to the gay CEO of your team’s major sponsor Qantas Airways and say, “Hey, I think you’re going to hell,
but please keep giving me money”. Speaking of Qantas; according to an investigation
done by the Daily Telegraph, they, along with fellow Wallabies
sponsors HSBC, Vodaphone, Land Rover, ASICS, and Accenture
all warned Rugby Australia that they would pull their sponsorship
if Folau was either not sacked, or made a strong public apology,
removed the post and signed documents ensuring he’d never do
it again. So, massive pressure there for Raleigh Castle
et al. As Rugby Australia
chairman Cameron Clyne said, the alternative would be that they’d
have no sponsors at all because no sponsor has indicated they would
be willing to be associated with social media posts of that sort and
that includes government” He also said they would potentially be in
litigation with employees who are gay and who would say they’re not
providing a work place that is safe or respectful. So you can
see, immense pressure from all sides. Also, Israel was in breach of the player code
of conduct. The
code states, among other things, that players are required to • “Treat everyone equally, fairly and
with dignity regardless of gender or gender identity, sexual orientation,
ethnicity, cultural or religious background, age or disability. Any form of bullying,
harassment or discrimination has no place in rugby.” • “Use social media appropriately. By all means share your positive
experiences of rugby but do not use social media as a means to breach any of the expectations or requirements
of you as a player contained in this code.” • “Do not otherwise act in a way that
may adversely affect or reflect on, or bring you, your team, club, rugby body
or rugby into disrepute or discredit.” Players are also bound by the code not to
“make any public comment that would likely be detrimental to
the best interests, image and welfare of the game, a team, a club,
a competition or union”. By anyone’s standards, Israel breached the
code, although, it is, admittedly, deliberately vague. In Israel’s defence; he is arguing that
Rugby Australia sacked him specifically because on his religious beliefs,
rather than a breach of code of conduct. Contrary to popular rumour, there were no
extra social media clauses added to his contract
relating to his posting about his religion. When Israel signed an extension of his stay
with the Wallabies in late 2018, RA realised they were not covered in
terms of Israel’s proclivities for posting about gay people
on social media. As such,
they hurriedly sent him a letter with extra social media clauses in it
relating to this. Having already signed his contract, Israel
was under no obligation to sign anything else, so he
did not sign these. In other
words, he did not breach his contract by making the offending
Instagram post. As for the player code of conduct, employment
codes are superseded by legislation. Which, in this case, is Section 772 of the
Fair Work Act, which details all the reasons an employer cannot use
to terminate a worker’s contract. Religion is listed as one of them. As
such, Israel will say that Rugby Australia sacked him for practising his
religion, and therefore the termination was unlawful. Bear in mind, Israel’s religion requires
adherents to proselytise; spreading the word of God is the core principle. You can’t be a born
again Christian without attempting to evangelise others, it is part of
the deal. Restricting someone from doing this is a clear
breach of section 772, because it is clearly preventing
that someone from peacefully practising their religion as they
choose. Intriguing, isn’t it? My personal opinion is that in the immediate,
this isn’t a free speech issue; it’s an issue
of branding, for all the reasons I have already mentioned. Israel was warned, he breached the player
code of conduct, what he said is not in line with Rugby Australia’s
public stance, they got rid of him. However, in the abstract, I feel differently. After all, how much
power should these big corporations have to influence their
employees’ ideological expression? You could easily argue that a
corporation has more power over an individual than a government
does, considering they dangle the purse strings. Threats of termination and deliberately vague
codes of conduct surely must be counted as infringing on free
speech, private company or not, that is, if you aren’t a
corporatist. Especially
considering Rugby Australia’s six major sponsors, all big corporations
themselves, threatened to pull the plug if their personal ideological
stance was not maintained. On an ethical level, I don’t think corporations
should position themselves as the moral arbiters of their
employees; they don’t get to play God, so to speak. So what do you think? Who is right? Is this a free speech issue, or is it
simply a private company being a private company? Who has a
better case, Israel Folau or Rugby Australia? This issue is, as you can
see, far from cut and dry, so please let me know your thoughts in the
comments.

Otis Rodgers

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100 COMMENTS

  1. Shawn Barnish Posted on July 15, 2019 at 1:47 pm

    It's so insane how expressing your opinion of desiring your society to be NORMAL can get you fired.

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  2. Shawn Barnish Posted on July 15, 2019 at 1:49 pm

    BTW, Sodomy is not just a sin….
    (Also note that it is mentioned just after abortion and just before beastiality. Because God hates it a.k.a. it's an abomination)
    Leviticus 18:21-24 KJV
    And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
    [22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
    [23] Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
    [24] Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

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  3. Elysium 27 Posted on July 15, 2019 at 4:08 pm

    Nobody cares until something like this happens to them

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  4. katie cook Posted on July 15, 2019 at 7:22 pm

    Rugby Australia You have gone ……..way……..way……. too far! He has the right to his own opinion!

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  5. Warwick Stanford Posted on July 15, 2019 at 10:32 pm

    Hello, how are you all? I really do hope all of you are well. Israel Folau actually appeared in the front page of the Sydney Star-Observer (which is a homosexual publication and he was actually promoting ”diversity and inclusion” to fellow players in the Rugby Australia. It was the 2014 publication). Oh well, good 👍 luck 🐎 to ”Mr Bible Basher.” People 👫 like him are the contributor to the many suicide deaths in this world. 🌎 Israel 🇮🇱 Folau? I wonder if he ”lied” when he claimed that Rugby Australia 🇦🇺 offered to pay him for removing that particular post? I am glad 😆 that Rugby Australia 🇦🇺 fired him. Anyway, the ”Religious Discrimination Act” hopefully should be passed through parliament so that people’s rights are protected. Israel Folau is expecting more funding from Qantas in regards to his sponsorship? I doubt that is going to happen, especially with Alan Joyce being openly gay himself.

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  6. Warwick Stanford Posted on July 15, 2019 at 10:36 pm

    Yeah but ”Section 772” of the Rugby Australia 🇦🇺 code should not give the right for any player of religious belief to go and ram 🐏 religion down other people’s throats and playing God with their lives. Very depressing using his position of power as a celebrity and the social platform of Twitter to say what he said. I am sure that gay and lesbian people have suffered enough as it is. I am sure that he himself is not perfect. 💯

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  7. Marc Valade Posted on July 16, 2019 at 3:30 am

    People make such a great deal with mariage anyway. Since we are kids we are driven to the twin soul to fall in love with. But the older you get, the more you realise their is more to life. Now making such an issue and undermining someone's life over such an issue is really more of a bigger social problem. When you are a kid you play with the neighbors of your age. You eventually take part of sports team, competitions, chess club… You play a range of games. When you grow up you start playing with your sex. Eventually you get someone else to play with you. Where is the necessary moral margin? It is really plain imbecile. Now men have intended to secure their possession of a person by mariage. This have for good consequences to secure the family and social place of it in the community in offering a secure ground for their child to grow. Now if people of the same gender still want to play with their sex and have no consideration for a child, then what is the necessary opposition to that all about? Their is no serious Christ stand concerning mariage and homosexuality, those are religious stands added on later on.

    Jesus mentioned a couple of things indeed concerning chastity and mariage. He mentioned that some were impotent by nature, some by their own choice and some for the Kingdom of God. The last ment that an apostle was not to love anyone seriously and at the same time risk martyrdom for himself along with the loved one. Because true Christianism is far from a soft venture. And in such view about it, Jesus also said that sad was the man who needed another person. For such would be split in half. He ment that he would spiritually demoralized by the dilemma. I also recall a vague passage where discussing with the disciples, he mentioned that in the future, in the Kingdom of God, mariage would not exist because everyone would be immortal and no one would have children… And on another occasion, the disciples concluded that it was a very sorry state to be married actually considering the concessions to make under the greater perspective of humanity as it was ment to be and where we are going to be brought to. I recall another passage about Peter who left his wife to follow Jesus. Him and her both agreed that she was to much a burden or him to follow his passion. Because then Jesus was the expected political renewal of Jerusalem. They then believed that Jerusalem would follow Jesus in a totally transformed, founded on their own scriptures, improved civilization without oppression. So Peter left her probably expecting to come back after… It ended in a way that they would have preferred not and had never expected. And Peter was so converted that he just was left to keep preaching until he died, until his very last breath on a cross himself in Rome. And for that he could not drag his wife in the same Calvary. So for the first Christians, it was not at all about a sexual issue. It was not about the morality of sex. It was about the risk to drag someone with ourselves into a certain death for a higher social purpose. And the needs and wants of a second person in the picture would always distract and reduce the devotion to that ideal. Beside all this, Christianity in his core have never had anything to do with forcing heterosexuality and objecting homosexuality. In fact Jesus himself married Mary Magdalen and it is written and described clearly in the New Testament. On such issue, also we can say that the first act Jesus did on the beginning of his office was to give the benediction on a mariage in Cana where he transformed water into wine. This is especially saying that the original sin is not about sexuality. The second thing he did is to go at the Temple and chase for the first time the animals sold for sacrifice on the altar. That was what to underline the real original sin of all sins: cruelty.

    Now making an issue about sex claiming that it is anti-Christian is on its own discrediting Christianity itself. At one point in the scripture, n the Gospel of Thomas in fact, a woman called Sarah, friendlily mock Jesus, saying that he called himself the son of men while he have eaten to her table… She ment that they had sex and here he was proclaiming himself as some sort of virgin angel! And he answered also friendlily expending a greater understanding about the terminology but also acquiescing the sexual act. So "Christians" that are all on their high horse about sex and everything alike should keep it cool and either stop calling themselves Christians, or stop confusing sexuality and Christianism. It is true that sexuality is not to be part of the devoted Christian discours. Because beside moments of intimacy, it is expected of them to preach compassion for a better society where we can thrust each other. Therefore a chaste language favorable to harmony and unison as opposed to envy and competition is expected from the believer.

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  8. David Greenwell Posted on July 16, 2019 at 3:36 am

    NFL is still better. 🇺🇸. Silly non American sports. Side note. I was raised Mormon. They are a bit crazy for me but well intentioned

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  9. David Greenwell Posted on July 16, 2019 at 3:50 am

    Here in the best country. We all know where…… not Australia. Any speech “off the clock” personal time at home etc. must be free And is not considered the speech of the company. While “on the clock” and representative off said companies you can and should be liable. Does seem like he was off the clock to me. You aussies seem to far left.

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  10. ken john Posted on July 16, 2019 at 7:35 am

    According to The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 18) everyone has the right to manifest his religious beliefs in public.
    From my Christian perspective I can't see how Israel Folau breached the Code of Conduct – his motivation was concern for the spiritual well being of others in the after life and in no way condoned any discrimination or disrespect … in fact he had appeared in some gay publications supporting inclusivity & respect.

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  11. Mark Harlor Posted on July 16, 2019 at 10:54 am

    Contract law is a bitch.

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  12. Stubert K Posted on July 16, 2019 at 10:54 am

    JUST TO END THIS ARGUEMENT ONCE AND FOR ALL. MARRIAGE IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE DEFINED AS A UNION BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. WHETHER A GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY HAS LEGALISED IT MEANS ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING AS IT DOES NOT AND WILL NOT EVER BE RECOGNISED BY GOD. A MAN IS TO LEAVE HIS MOTHER AND FATHER AND CLEVE TO HIS WIFE AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.

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  13. SkullKing11841 Posted on July 16, 2019 at 11:25 am

    The left went rabid over this.

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  14. Bruce Gordon Posted on July 16, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    Daisy is obviously a non-believer if she believes she can decide what a sin is or is not. The bible states that homosexuality is an abomination. It appears that people of non belief find it easy to accept depraved behaviour; in time paedophilia and necrophilia could argued for on the grounds that, " love is love." duh

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  15. vanpenguin22 Posted on July 16, 2019 at 6:03 pm

    [He damn sure has cajones.Anyone who can't admire him for going against the grain in support of his convictions is not worth the seat they rode in on.

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  16. Les Field Posted on July 17, 2019 at 8:27 am

    He wasn't fired for being a Christian. He was fired because his contract said not to speak the way he did. Go and tell someone who is interested. Go to Hillsong and he can hear all the Bullshit he needs. Or start his own Bullshit religion. He didn't mention any of the pedophile Priests or preacher. Like the Hillsong minister. Who they gave a nice pension too.🎃🎃

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  17. Les Field Posted on July 17, 2019 at 9:48 am

    He left out Bastard. Which I'm one. Deuteronomy 23 verse 2. He also hadn't read verse one. It refers to industrial accidents. Where a man who's balls have been crushed or male member has been cut off shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus also said the kingdom of heaven is with in you. He never mentioned pie in the sky. Bullshit 🐫👍🎃🔥👹

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  18. Andrew Martin Posted on July 17, 2019 at 11:16 am

    Thanks. Very comprehensive summary. Your points about the vaguery of his contract ie 'using social media appropriately' contrasted against employment law demand that the law must catch up with corporate overreach. Hopefully this will be a landmark case. It seems that corporates dictating to the public of what they can and can't say has reached a frenetic level since the Gay Marriage debate.

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  19. Jaime Benjamin Posted on July 17, 2019 at 11:55 am

    He was fired for breaching his contract. He did a similar thing a year ago and was warned. He did it AGAIN. Stupid is as stupid does…

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  20. saffylew Posted on July 17, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    I really appreciate your presentation of this. Although you disagree with the Christian viewpoint, you understand the crux of the argument. You can love someone and disagree with them without it being some sort of phobia or hatred.

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  21. Felipe Cespedes Posted on July 17, 2019 at 10:18 pm

    Homosexuality is a sinful behavior aka a lawless behavior in the sight of Jesús/God Christ. 🤨🇺🇸

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  22. Buddhi Dev Posted on July 18, 2019 at 12:17 am

    The strange thing is many can't accept the different opinions, but call themselves liberal?

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  23. Jonathan Posted on July 18, 2019 at 12:35 am

    4:22
    Bible is painfully clear on homosexuality.

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  24. Jonathan Posted on July 18, 2019 at 12:39 am

    6:01
    Yes, everyone is a sinner.
    The message of every other religion is that you can earn salvation.
    The message of Christianity is that you can't do anything, but Jesus can.

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  25. HD Bulldog Posted on July 18, 2019 at 2:28 am

    One quick thing, Catholics are not idolaters. We can talk more about that, if you’d like, but Catholicism does not worship statuary or imagery. Just wanted to set the record straight.

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  26. VideoAudioDisco09 Posted on July 18, 2019 at 4:55 am

    Avinshu
      Patel – Avi – wrote two Facebook posts, one in English and one in Hindi. Both
      were suicide notes, that explained how he was bullied for the way he walks
      and talks, for the way he presents himself. “I’m gay,” he said in one of the
      posts. “Everyone knows I’m a boy, but the way I walk, think, feel,
      talk…it’s like a girl. People living in India don’t like this,” he wrote in
      another. The next morning, the 20-year-old’s body was found on the
      Neelankarai beach by the police. Avi’s body has been taken back to his home
      in Mumbai by his parents. His death has once again brought to the fore issues
      of bullying and discrimination that queer people face on an everyday basis.

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  27. Nolies Truesbob Posted on July 18, 2019 at 6:57 am

    Qantas are in partnership with Emirates Airlines who is owned by the UAE government, the UAE government has anti gay laws in their country. It is illegal to be homosexual in the UAE, the punishments are anything from a fine, beatings, jail time, chemical castration, deportation and even the death penalty. So Qantas don't mind their partners killing gays as long as they make money but a Christian rugby player mustn't say homosexuals will go to hell if they don't repent. I am getting so sick and tired of these homosexuals. I don't care what they do in their bedrooms, if somebody wants to put his dick into somebody's asshole that is their problem, OK it's fucking discusting but still it's their problem, luckily not mine, please just don't shake my hand though. There are probably straight people that does it. Human fesus on your penis might be your thing that's cool but please stop acting like if the whole world is out to get you, nobody gives a shit about homosexual or straight people or any other people. If you don't life in a ISIS controlled territory nobody cares whether you put your dick in some guy's asshole or not. If you are offended by somebody telling you, that you will go to hell, well take that up with God because the Bible is his word and if you don't like how God will choose in the afterlife, the life after you are dead and not on earth anymore, you still have to take it up with God, Folau is just the messenger. Please can these homosexuals just stop whining?

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  28. raymond lindroth Posted on July 18, 2019 at 8:43 am

    The word' hell' is nowhere found in the scripture.

    The WORD in the scripture is :" Gehenna".

    Gehenna was the Jerusalem rubbish dump.

    In Yahshua's day they had perfect understanding of what Yahshua was saying.

    In Yahshua's day the sinners were NEVER buried, The sinners were cast over the wall into Gehenna, Where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

    Gehenna was kept burning 24/ 7.

    Everything that was cast into Gehenna was turned to ASHES.

    Rev. 20: 14- 15 is Gehenna. The lake of Fire is in the exact SAME place as Gehenna was 2,000 years ago. Outside the walls of Jerusalem. The Kidron valley.

    On The LAST day all the sinners will be cast into Gehenna ( The Lake of fire ) and will be turned to ASHES. This is LOVE. 1 John 4: 7- 8.

    The Christians CHANGED the words in the scripture. This alone shows that the Christians are NOT from Yahweh.

    The Christians LIE. This shows that the Christians are liars and are of their father the devil.

    So it is written.

    To believe in a place called 'hell' you have to reject all these plain and simple scriptures written for those who will become as little children.

    I say Again:" Yahweh is LOVE." 1 John 4; 7- 8.

    Only a sadistic , satanic, demonic god would have a place of torment called ' hell.'

    The christian god is a sadistic, satanic, demonic god. Yahweh is LOVE.

    Yahweh will show more LOVE on Judgement day than any day since creation when He casts all the sinners into the Lake of fire and they are turned to ASHES. Rev. 20: 7- 15.

    Body, soul, spirit and breath to ASHES instantly. This is LOVE.

    HELL " does not exist, HELL has never existed and HELL will never exist.

    Yahweh is LOVE. 1 John 4: 7- 8.

    On the LAST day Yahweh will cast all the sinners into the LAKE of Fire and the sinners will be turned to ASHES instantly, NO Pain, NO suffering, OUT of existence instantly. This is LOVE. Rev. 20: 7- 15.

    John 6: 39, 40, 44, 53 and 54. The last day. There are NO days after the LAST DAY.

    The fate of Satan is clearly described in the scripture.

    Yahweh WILL bring a FIRE from the midst of Satan and Yahweh's FIRE will DEVOUR Satan and turn Satan to ASHES and Satan will be NO MORE FOREVER. Ezekiel 28: 18- 19.

    This is Perfect Justice with perfect LOVE.

    ALL who sin will be turned to ASHES on the LAST Day and will be NO MORE FOREVER.

    So says Yahweh.

    Rom. 11: 11- 33. Yahweh's ONLY WAY to salvation.

    May THE Creator Yahweh give you your hearts desire.

    Heb. 12: 14.

    bless you

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  29. James DuToit Posted on July 18, 2019 at 10:56 am

    Pay him a settlement and part ways.

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  30. Dominic Babbitt Posted on July 18, 2019 at 2:56 pm

    We KNOW whqt rugby is.

    Pads are for menstruation

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  31. FireMakesMeKing Posted on July 18, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    Major corporations are jerks in general. Because the managers that make these decisions are not liable.
    I was fired from a job for not kowtowing to a mangers Napoleonic Complex.

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  32. Robochop 1987 Posted on July 19, 2019 at 3:07 am

    Israel Folau. Our modern day hero in the regular Australian community. Well done Israel, you have the power in Christ.

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  33. Tom Smith Posted on July 19, 2019 at 4:09 am

    To me, it would depend on IF he was making these statements while on the clock for his "employer". If he is off the clock, his freedom of expression should be upheld. Heck, while he is on the clock, his jersey is plastered with the pro-gay markings of those that pay him and he consequently carries their freedom of expression into the game with him.
    By the way, you did a fair and decent job of describing the fundamentalist Christian point of view regarding homosexuality. Thank you.

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  34. Jeffrey Kline Posted on July 19, 2019 at 5:17 am

    Remark made around 4:15 mark is biased and flawed. Behavior and sexual preference are not independent of each other. Sexual preference influences behavior. But sexual preference does not have to control behavior. Behavior can be changed. Sexual preference may or may not be able to be changed but sexual behavior does not have to act solely in accordance with a given sexual preference. For example, rape would be a sexual preference of a “rapist” but raping someone is considered, besides being a crime, to amoral by most people (or “sin” against someone). A “rapist” who does not act on their sexual preference does so because of other factors and influences. That is, they have changed their “natural” behavior to a behavior that is is “unnatural” because other factors and influences controlled their behavior.

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  35. Marvin Montgomery Posted on July 19, 2019 at 7:15 am

    Wake the Hell up if he was a Muslim your Media would have made him into the victim, only Islam can preach the gospel of throwing Gay people off of tall buildings and get away with it, only Islam can practice PEDOPHILIA with the illiterate pedophile prophet Muhammad as its greatest supporter with his six-year-old wife all the way up to the modern-day dancing boys of Afghanistan but nothing is ever said to them not the gutless media and the United States or Australia. So all the mentioned above should accept the fact of their hypocrisy when it comes to the poor man you had some fortitude and backbone and beliefs the point is you would never do this to a Muslim and they really are sickos

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  36. Zen Robot Ninja Posted on July 19, 2019 at 7:20 am

    Religion being used as an excuse for good people to bad things, as usual

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  37. tere teariki Posted on July 19, 2019 at 2:04 pm

    When we look back in history to see the rise and fall of any culture and civilization, regardless of the power, strength and might they hold.unfortunately, their demise and fall came from within. What does it mean? Immorality, self indulgence, lovers of pleasure,
    Ignorance, arrogance, blindedness
    etc… I hope that Our Nation doesn't head down this path. Question remain to be answered,?
    What future do we all want for the next Generation and the one after that? my answer? Look back and
    Connect the dots. by Steve Jobs!!!!

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  38. Thomas McGillivray Posted on July 19, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    No he wasn't fired for being Christian…now don't try to make it seem that simple….he was fired for going against the values of Rugby Australia.. full inclusiveness & non-discrimination & in his social media posts he clearly discriminated against gays….after having previously being warned. And I'm sure Rugby Australia dosn't really care about his private religious views & are not in the business of promoting religion any more than the church is into promoting rugby & the gay issue differs from the other traits mentioned as it is a gender issue.

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  39. Richard Kenna Posted on July 19, 2019 at 10:55 pm

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/why-the-pm-and-most-christians-are-going-to-hell-20190719-p528xx.html

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  40. Jason Walmsley Posted on July 20, 2019 at 12:54 am

    Wow Daisy I thought you were English. ❤️💋❤️

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  41. Not Sione nuts 21iminmemomscarlol Posted on July 20, 2019 at 2:08 am

    I’ve met Israel at my fam reunion he’s tall af btw

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  42. Dan M OConn80 Posted on July 20, 2019 at 2:12 am

    fired cause he’s a douche

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  43. Velvet Hammer Posted on July 20, 2019 at 4:46 am

    It is a free speech, freedom of religion issue.

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  44. Jimmi Alli Posted on July 20, 2019 at 4:52 am

    I wonder if all those idiots who donated to Folau still would if they realise he believes they will all go to hell.

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  45. Tamara Odgaard Posted on July 20, 2019 at 5:09 am

    Alleged homophobic comments aside, if you consider what else was mentioned in terms of sins – we could all be going to HELL!

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  46. John Dickeson Posted on July 20, 2019 at 6:59 am

    If Israel's message turned just one person around from a depressed and suicidal mind set then surely that's a far better outcome than the perpetually offended just being a little bit more offended!

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  47. Craig Anderson Posted on July 20, 2019 at 8:13 am

    Remember when we all could just have different opinions to each other and there was the freedom to express them?

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  48. Tripper Harrison Posted on July 20, 2019 at 9:54 am

    Wonderful! The plague is airborne and worldwide. The left is humanity’s embarrassment!!!!

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  49. Glenn Young Posted on July 20, 2019 at 10:19 am

    he did nothing wrong there is always one noisey pain in the arse minority

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  50. karen campanaro Posted on July 20, 2019 at 4:43 pm

    Of course his rights were violated. I’m anxious to see what happens.

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  51. Paul Thomas Posted on July 21, 2019 at 9:14 am

    Israel Folau wasn't fired because of his religious beliefs, he was fired because he breached the terms of his contract with his employer, Rugby Australia. Specifically Rugby Australia's values of full inclusiveness & non-discrimination. He'd been warned at an earlier, similar breach of his contract but chose to repeat the infringement. It's not religious oppression it's simply a breach of an employment contract. Nothing to see here…

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  52. Wire Rubbish Bin Posted on July 21, 2019 at 1:43 pm

    The story has not dominated the headlined for months in Australia. Nor is it about freedom of speech or freedom of religion. It is about breach of contract and the legality of the contract.

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  53. Mike Neri Posted on July 21, 2019 at 1:46 pm

    Who has ever stopped a gay person (or any one else) from talking trash about a Christian? Who?!

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  54. CLEAR WATER Posted on July 21, 2019 at 6:35 pm

    I feel its a Spiritual War between Good & Evil involving all of us for test where everything we know as good becomes bad & everything we know as bad is now good. It's a test of the woke and asleep

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  55. Al-zein Kusmantoro Posted on July 21, 2019 at 7:01 pm

    I think the only religion that will be triggered by homosexuality is Islam. All Muslims condemn homosexuality because in their view homosexuality is sin or haram and they sent to hellfire. No chance.

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  56. On Your Face Posted on July 21, 2019 at 7:54 pm

    We should ban religion!

    and tranny's that believe they are the other sex.

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  57. Levi Rehn Posted on July 21, 2019 at 10:14 pm

    So they warmed him he did it again and when he did it again we gave him a chance to take they to take it down and he didn’t

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  58. Nicholas Johnson Posted on July 21, 2019 at 10:57 pm

    Christians are being persecuted over here.

    It's started.

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  59. Oliver Downunder Posted on July 22, 2019 at 1:13 am

    He signed a CONTRACT in which he agreed to comply with the desired image of Rugby Australia. He broke that clause and got fired. End of story.

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  60. Paul Mitchell Posted on July 22, 2019 at 4:06 am

    Carnt understand why any one is upset God is only a ficton, imaginary friend in the sky

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  61. Watchdog Posted on July 22, 2019 at 4:10 am

    Working as a public servant here in Texas, I have to adhere to a social media policy issued by my department. It's a pretty standard policy for anyone working in law enforcement, but the difference between my situation and Mr Folau's situation is I knew about my departments policy from day one and agreed to follow it as a condition of employment. If I understand correctly, Mr Folau did not violate his employment contract due to the fact he was presented with an amendment letter after he signed his contract. Essentially his employer was attempting to change the terms of his contract after the terms were agreed to and accepted, and then they held him to the standard of the new terms, of which he did not agree to nor did he sign the letter accepting them. Regardless of his stance on the issue at hand, at least here in the States, I believe Mr. Folau would have grounds for a wrongful termination lawsuit. While his employer should have the right to present whatever image they feel is beneficial to the company, If Mr. Folau did not violate the terms of his contract, I believe the termination to be wrongful.

    I think a better option for his employer would have been to offer Mr. Folau a buyout of his contract and then release him from said contract. In that scenario, Mr. Folau's rights would not have been violated and his employer would have still achieved the desired result.

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  62. Asen Keel Posted on July 22, 2019 at 6:11 am

    He’s a top Bloke.

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  63. Tauanave Moo CHING Posted on July 22, 2019 at 8:46 am

    🙄 whatever, rugby Australia over did it, there wouldve been other sponsors happy to sponsor fire quantas or go to hell, I would've chosen to fire all the sponsors and get some new sponsors LoL 😂 messing with a man of God, It's the calm before the storm,

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  64. Some Dandy Posted on July 22, 2019 at 9:05 am

    Is that a Kimono? You get a like!
    [edit] Is THIS who Ilhan Omar was referring to when she said "Israel has hypnotized the world"? If so…let him hypnotize away! I'll bring the pocket-watch!

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  65. Christopher Barnard Posted on July 22, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    Politics has no place in sport. As a Safa brother I know this better than anyone.
    I also believe that his views dont have a place in the rest of society… perhaps its acceptable for Christians but for me as a Christian it's rather distasteful and seems to tad bit judgemental especially for those who were taught that the only judgement that matters was from the father above.

    However I do disagree that Twitter statements can get you fired from your job, we dont see this with Trump or other let's call them celebrity figures with outrageous views getting the same or similar treatment.

    If Steve Smith captain of Aus cricket, literally got a 1 year suspension for cheating in a game, I think Israel's could've gotten the same.
    Just seems disproportionate to me, but that's just my 2cents.

    Love all, be yourself and give thanx(even if it's only to mother earth)

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  66. desame suo Posted on July 23, 2019 at 8:25 am

    There is nothing wrong with homophobia. If we don't have homophobia, human being could have gone extinct long time ago. And same sex marriage is not marriage. It is a joke. They can call it whatever they want. But just don't force me . They can do whatever they want , why they force us into accepting their confusion. i don't give a crap about their marriage. Don't try to be accepted by society. You can do anything in your bed, but don't tell me to celebrate your crazy thing.

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  67. desame suo Posted on July 23, 2019 at 8:37 am

    We have freedom to choose whatever we do. But the consequence of our choice is not our choice. It is at the mercy of someone else. Sin and punishment is inseparable just like good and reward.

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  68. desame suo Posted on July 23, 2019 at 8:44 am

    Evil people can punish Christians for a period of time. But they will be punished forever.

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  69. desame suo Posted on July 23, 2019 at 8:47 am

    There is something we can't change. There is no God.Maybe you hope so.But there is God. We can't change it.

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  70. Nez Guevara Posted on July 23, 2019 at 12:13 pm

    Funny how just above the comments it says "Remember to keep comments RESPECTFUL…" yet all I see are comments of the exact opposite. Stop spreading hate towards the gay community. That's all everyone here is doing.

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  71. M H Posted on July 24, 2019 at 2:54 am

    Anti-west culture people are destroying civilization. Hope they enjoy their Apocalypse they create.

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  72. Plum Fun Posted on July 24, 2019 at 5:22 am

    "Worship me, for I am a kind, forgiving, and loving god"
    "Er…I'm not so sure I want to worship you right now"
    "That's ok. Unless you worship some other god. Then I'll kill you. Oh, and you don't have to worship me, 'per se', but I'm still going to hold you accountable to my arbitrary, contradictory and vague rules. And when you fall afoul of any of these, well, I'll kill you and make sure you suffer unbearable torture for all eternity"
    "DUDE!? Seriously?! How are you claiming to be a god of love, peace and forgiveness again?"
    "Look. It's simple. Do what I want and everything will be cool. Otherwise…eternal damnation. Simple, right?"
    "Fine. I'll follow your bible. … uh… which one? I mean, there are so many different versions of Christianity so, which one can keep me from eternal damnation, pain and torment?"
    "Look. I gave you free will. Pick one. If it's the right one, you're golden"
    "…and if I pick the wrong one?"
    "Hell. Pain. Suffering. For all eternity. I'm being TOTALLY reasonable and accepting of your choice. Unless it's wrong. Then I'll kill you and send you to hell. And no. I'm still not telling you which version is the right one".

    Yup. Christianity. Definitely a reasonable religion. 😉

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  73. Stuart B Posted on July 24, 2019 at 12:15 pm

    Of all the thousands of quotes in the bible he uses that one. Seems very suspicious and also shows that the bible is a one idea philosophy. Just live your life as a baby machine. Not one other intelligent coherent idea.

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  74. it just doesn't matter jp Posted on July 24, 2019 at 6:53 pm

    Freedom of speech? yes and no IMO. I was raised Southern Baptist in the US. I was taught to wear one's religious beliefs like a t-shirt, not a megaphone. Let people see what your beliefs are by action and dead and if they want to ask questions, etc. allow THEM to approach you. Aggressively "preaching" to others (regardless of topic) is akin to arrogance, superciliousness not to mention insulting. Seems to me that Mr. Folau exercised his freedom of speech but was rude and condescending his content and manner. I don't think this should be considered "because of his Christian beliefs". Mr. Folau was being censored because he violated team protocol, ethics and or rules etc..

    As a footballer he should have known better. After a warning from the referee…

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  75. Melanie Barnes Posted on July 24, 2019 at 8:57 pm

    how are the Koalas doing right now? since your Aussie

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  76. ben nichols Posted on July 24, 2019 at 9:33 pm

    The gaystapo are a branch of nwo communists.

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  77. innerfire89 Posted on July 25, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    Attraction is not a choice, embracing and acting out that attraction is.

    Yes, everyone is a sinner, one purpose of the Bible is to show that all people are condemned sinners in need of the Savior Jesus Christ. A life style of sin such as homosexuality typifies the unsaved.

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  78. Mac Taualii Posted on July 26, 2019 at 1:53 am

    Very well articulated presentation. Just subscribed.

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  79. William Taylor Posted on July 26, 2019 at 12:23 pm

    Free speech exists only for the leftwingers….

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  80. Brian Ramsey Posted on July 26, 2019 at 7:12 pm

    Mormons are not Christians. Mormons are Mormons. Mormons do not permit Christians into their Temples as Christians are not Mormons.

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  81. Vile Hero Posted on July 28, 2019 at 6:43 am

    Lol he should have said " we are all going to HELL so please turn to Jesus he can save you." That is his phrase it would have been safer. It seems like it was a tight situation all over.

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  82. some one Posted on July 29, 2019 at 7:51 am

    Israel posed in a pretty singlet promoting an all gay rugby tournament only a few years ago and I'll bet he only did it for the money… what a fucking hypocrite… theres the proof it's all about money and not free speech….

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  83. Joe Taraxacum Posted on July 29, 2019 at 7:48 pm

    A small minority is terrorizing all the others. I'm afraid this will end badly for the minority. Same-sex marriage is a contradiction in itself.

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  84. Les Sneaky Posted on July 29, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    Bible is crystal clear on homosexuality. It’s a sin. I’m not a Christian, but for those who have faith in the Bible, they know you go to hell for being Gay.

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  85. Neil Brown Posted on July 30, 2019 at 3:09 am

    You act like it's a bad thing to fire someone for being religious……..

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  86. Paul Finey Posted on July 31, 2019 at 9:34 am

    You missed the forth group, those that couldn't give a shit……

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  87. Aaron Villa Posted on August 2, 2019 at 2:25 am

    If the law says he can practice his religion "peacefully" then that is critical. I'm not quite sure that posting a condemning and very judgemental Instagram post is in the realm of peaceful. He should not win the suit. Universal law, ones free will should never infringe on any others free will in the public domain. Stay bad ass, Daisy 🍻 cheers

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  88. Persephone Diggen Posted on August 2, 2019 at 11:05 am

    It's interesting that he's a Mormon and he has an Israeli name, literally

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  89. Phil Crane Posted on August 3, 2019 at 12:17 am

    When are they going to release the Lions in the stadiums to kill all us Christians? Hey atheists out there God is watching and eternity in hell is a whole lot worse than your hell on Earth for the small amount of time, ( in the scheme of time), you're walking it.

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  90. Ligaya Mawhirt Posted on August 3, 2019 at 5:34 am

    RUGBY- is like NFL but hardcore and without all the padding. Hahaha Hilarious coz it's true. And Americans think they are tough.

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  91. Gespenst Der Verzweiflung Posted on August 3, 2019 at 7:28 am

    The thing about belief is, belief is not a democracy. You can't force your belief unto others.

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  92. The Kien Lam Posted on August 3, 2019 at 10:07 am

    No one is a christian except his family church members. He said it himself

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  93. luz de sete dias Posted on August 4, 2019 at 3:26 am

    Eles tentam destruir o cristianismo!
    Não conseguirão!

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  94. DARREL X Posted on August 5, 2019 at 2:59 am

    Concerning how much power corporations should have or rather do have. It says in Revelation 13:17, that no one will be able to buy or sell unless they receive the mark of the beast.

    You are not a Christian but you are a conservative. That is fascinating, to say the least.

    Regarding the list of sins, Isreal posted.

    All of them have had incredibly negative and horrible consequences in society.

    Homosexuality for instance…

    770000 dead from AIDS last year alone and over 40000000 since 1980.

    And if anyone claims that this has nothing to do with homosexuality, of all those who have died, the large majority of those victims are gay and bisexual men. And they are considered to this day, as those most at risk of contracting AIDS. That is because mixing blood and semen is the perfect catalyst for getting AIDS. And sodomy is how you mix blood and semen.

    Of course alcoholism has also has had negative consequences, on society etc.

    One thing I find interesting about the Australian Rugby code, is that if you cannot discriminate against a person's sexuality, does that include pedophilia, or bestiality, or incest?

    I mean we all discriminate against certain sexual behavior, do we not.

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  95. DARREL X Posted on August 5, 2019 at 9:46 am

    Same sex relationships are not a sin?

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  96. TheTebhes Posted on August 8, 2019 at 12:10 am

    If Christians close their eyes to such kind of attacks, it means they deserve whatever happens to their religion.

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  97. theomimesis Posted on August 10, 2019 at 9:34 am

    So basically people who belong to Christian Churches that believe that homosexual activity is immoral can't play rugby. Or to express this idea differently, it means that an entire class of people (i.e., Christians who belong to Churches that are opposed to homosexual behavior) can be discriminated against with impunity.

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  98. James Dunkerson Posted on August 16, 2019 at 2:51 pm

    We are now to the point where people are no longer allowed to believe as they wish. In the push towards a completely inclusive society, they are now trying to exclude others…The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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  99. George Prowse Posted on August 19, 2019 at 3:54 pm

    It's very simple. There is no discussion on freedom of expression or freedom of speech. Neither of them mean freedom from repercussions and he said his piece and expressed his thoughts and he is paying the price for it.

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