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Sam Harris · Waking Up Science, Skepticism, Spirituality | June 15, 2014.



my question is where do you suggest we go from here and how and what level of optimism might you have we all know that reason has not worked despite all the predictions at the end of faith if I may through the decades and centuries and I'm not optimistic from that perspective I am optimistic though that in this increasingly globalized smaller world with intermingling of cultures and traditions and mores and doctrines and multiculturalism existing more and more in every single culture throughout the world and communications and so forth and so on that any one culture with its own traditions as their young people grow up are going to found it less easy and less inclined to have a need to stick to traditional faith and other such things so I'm something of an optimist i think the upshot of that might be an increase in New ageism with the traditional faiths increasingly in decline but I'll take that over what we've experienced to date what are your thoughts on that yeah well I share that optimism Mary it's hard to say that I'm an optimist I don't see this happening as quickly as it needs to but yeah it's we have a choice between conversation and violence ultimately and then went when when push comes to shove when things really matter we can either talk to each other and negotiate or we have to pull out the guns or rockets you know what what's the if someone sees a third alternative you know I'd be happy to have it pointed out but we we talk until we can't talk any longer and the problem with dogmatism in my mind especially religious dogmatism is it is a conversation stopper that's a roarton phrase but it is and there's nothing that incompatible fundamentalisms can say to each other to really place their beliefs on the table and get them modified in anything real time and the only thing that guarantees that our collaboration with one another is truly open ended as a species in my mind is that we are willing to have our beliefs and behaviors revised through conversation through the new arguments and new evidence and it's only on religion that the antithetical spirit is celebrated celebrated even by secularists who don't share this spirit but who think everyone else needs to indulge it to get through their day and that that's that's that's really what I see is the purpose of a meeting like this that we crash this out until there's no longer really doubt on our side that we need that we have a problem here that we have a war of ideas that needs to be one and the question is how to win it and there we've been you know then there can be I can be convicted of radical impracticality perhaps or maybe there's a role for different voices so i don't know if that addresses the center of your question but I you know I don't I don't have a program apart from making noises at the appropriate moment and funding those noises and funding descent to you know I think funding descent in the Muslim world for instance inspiring and protecting dissidents in the Muslim world that is a discrete project that has to happen it has to happen in a huge way how we do that is a question of pragmatic my question is where do you suggest we go from here and how and what level of optimism might you have we all know that reason has not worked despite all the predictions at the end of faith if I may through the decades and centuries and I'm not optimistic from that perspective I am optimistic though that in this increasingly globalized smaller old with intermingling of cultures and traditions and mores and doctrines and multiculturalism existing more and more in every single culture throughout the world and communications and so forth and so on that any one culture with its own traditions as their young people grow up are going to found it less easy and less inclined to have a need to stick to traditional faith and other such things so I'm something of an optimist i think the upshot of that might be an increase in New ageism with the traditional faiths increasingly in decline but I take that over what we've experienced to date what are your thoughts on that yeah well I share that optimism it's hard to say that I'm an optimist I don't see this happening as quickly as it needs to but yeah it's we have a choice between conversation and violence ultimately and then when push comes to shove when things really matter we can either talk to each other and negotiate or we have to pull out the guns or rockets you know what's the if someone sees a third alternative you know I'd be happy to have it pointed out but we we talk until we can't talk any longer and the problem with dogmatism in my mind especially religious dogmatism is it is a conversation stopper that's a roarton phrase but it is and there's nothing that incompatible fundamentalisms can say to each other to really place their beliefs on the table and get them modified in anything like real time and the only thing that guarantees that our collaboration with one another is truly open ended as a species in my mind is that we are willing to have our beliefs and behaviors revised through conversation through new arguments and new evidence and it's only on religion that the antithetical spirit is celebrated celebrated even by secularists who don't share this spirit but who think everyone else needs to indulge it to get through their day and that that's that's really what I see is the purpose of a meeting like this that we crash this out until there's no longer really doubt on our side that we need that we have a problem here that we have a war of ideas that needs to be one and the question is how to win it and there we've been then there can be I can be convicted of radical impracticality perhaps or maybe there's a role for different voices so i don't know if that addresses the center of your question but

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