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This Old Clip Explains How JORDAN PETERSON Actually Got Religious



do you think there's evidence throughout history that it's possible for people to be enlightened and you'd think since enlightenment is viewed as the medication for vulnerability and death that everybody would be struggling as hard as they possibly could to be enlightened if such a state exactly and precisely exists but if the barrier to enlightenment is the development of self consciousness of the individual humans infinite capacity for evil then you can be immediately convinced about why enlightenment is in such short supply when I finished my first provisional examination of the sorts of motivations that drove people to set up concentration camps and to torture people terribly in those camps I came to a terrible conclusion it was a conclusion that I think in some ways was the worst thing that had ever happened to me maybe intellectually and morally I thought I came to understand why it is that people depended on their group identity and their cultural identification because that helped protect themselves from their own vulnerability you have to believe things because you just don't know everything so you have to believe things they fill in the gaps the beliefs fill in the gaps if the beliefs are stripped from you then your defenses against the infinite are stripped and it's no wonder that people will defend their beliefs I thought well if you're too involved in defending your beliefs you're going to be willing to kill other people in their defense and we're so technologically powerful now that we can no longer be willing to kill other people in the defense of our own beliefs because the time for that is passed and I realized well if you don't stand up for your beliefs you leave yourself bereft you're open to the depredations of the infinite that's equally intolerable it seems to leave no way out so there is a way out you know and I think it's the way out that genuinely religious people have tried to offer humanity for thousands and thousands of years and the way out of the conundrum posed to you by your reliance on ideological beliefs and your vulnerability in the face of the unknown is the development of a truly integrated and powerful character and that's a individual development and it means constant confrontation with things you don't understand and constant attempts to ensure that your character is composed of truth and solidity rather than deceit and to make of yourself something that's built on a rock and not predicated on sand and the thing is it's one thing to tell people that because maybe they should take care of themselves but I don't know if that's enough to tell people because they don't take care of themselves that well but it's a completely other thing to say look you know every time you make a pathological moral decision you move the one the world one step closer to complete annihilation and I absolutely believe that I think the historical evidence is crystal clear and I also think that every time you make an appropriate moral decision and you manifest moral courage in the face of your own vulnerability then you move the world one step farther from the break and every that's the case for every single person you know Solzhenitsyn said drawing on his Eastern Orthodox Christian background every single person is the center of the world a center of the world not that center of the world it was a complicated place it can have all sorts of centers it's hard to believe that you might be one of them but everything about human existence is hard to believe the fact that it's here at all is hard to believe the nature of it's hard to believe everything that human beings does is so ridiculous and remarkable that it's like it's a consistently and constantly unfolding miracle the idea that each of you might be a center of the cosmos in that infinite admixture of ridiculousness and absurdities is hardly more than one more ridiculous thing to swallow all summarize I guess said that tragedy is a precondition for being being is the interplay between the finite and the infinite and in that interplay this tragedy there's no way out of that evil something different evils the conscious attempt to make the conditions of existence more pathological than they have to be and it's motivated by conscious intent the motivations arise because people pay a terrible price for their self conscious awareness and that awareness is there awareness of their vulnerability and that is a terrible thing to be aware of that vulnerability can be confronted forthrightly accepted and the appropriate decisions made alternatively people can retreat into their own rationalistic arrogance and attempt to deceive themselves and everyone else about the nature of their own existence and about the nature of reality that pathway leads to nothing but destruction I think that there's good reason to assume that it's too late in the developmental course as a species for that path to be acceptable anymore because we're too powerful and if too many people stay on that path we're going to do ourselves in and so I would say as we become more technologically powerful an increasing moral burden is being placed on each of us it matters to the to the to the destiny of the cosmos whether or not you get your moral act straight and I don't mean that in the term ziyal way I believe that that's as close to an empirical fact as anything that can be demonstrated I also believe that's as terrifying a thing to consider as anything you could possibly imagine and maybe it's too much to ask of people but you know our great religious traditions do continually remind us that inside every human being there's a spark of divinity and that idea is a precondition for our entire system of law there's always the possibility that it's true and if it's true it means that there is a there's a there's an infinite avenue of potential that lays open to every single person and that the ability to transform the terrible conditions of reality into something not only acceptable but worthy of celebration actually lies within our grasp and the alternative that the alternative to that is the continual generation of a kind of hell that's so incomprehensibly awful that by any reasonable person standards it has to be regarded as something to avoid that's all I have to say about that [Applause]

Otis Rodgers

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32 COMMENTS

  1. cr35t23 Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    This 6 minutes explains Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson's entire philosophy.

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  2. JimSweet Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    I'm not sure you HAVE to believe things. When we first started out as human beings, we might have tried different things until we found a solution that worked, but I don't know if we had to believe something to do that. We tried something we thought would work, but we didn't need to believe it would work. We just needed ideas and tried those ideas and if they didn't work we tried new ones. Then we accumulated knowledge and we had educated guess of what also will work, but I still think we didn't have to believe in something. It's the ideas that we created that we couldn't see that in turn made us created the word believe. I don't even think we really needed the word believe in our vocabulary if we didn't make up ideas we couldn't prove.

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  3. American made Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Jordan Peterson for president. This man could change the way the world is if only there are open ears, open minds, and Open Hearts.

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  4. Matthew Wehri Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Jordan Peterson does this weird thing when he talks where he makes life seem wonderful and worth living. huh

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  5. michael sorensen Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    God bless Jordan Peterson.

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  6. Shelley Di Biase Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Religious yes, he is definitely a Gnostic, but Christian, no he is not. But what insight about the pathology of evil.

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  7. Lone-Wolf-XCII Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Great video!

    I would literally cry with joy if I met Professor Peterson.

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  8. HeyTrueBlue Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    …and now he sells out hundreds of lectures all around the world. I love JP!

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  9. Manuel V. Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    head explodes

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  10. Roberto Sanchez Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    5:18 "It matters to the Destiny of the Cosmos whether or not you get your moral act straight."

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  11. Timothy Michael Carter Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Bring out the lobsters

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  12. Sam Baker Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    How old is he here? What year is it ?

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  13. chindoo Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    This guy is a sly bullshiter.

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  14. Tim Freeman Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    The reason there aren't many enlightened people is well explained by Jeffrey Martin's research. Different people need different meditation techniques to get there, and most people who meditate and become enlightened do it within a religious context and acquire additional dogmatism as a consequence of being enlightened. So they think the technique that worked for them is the "right" technique, and they teach that specific technique to other people and it doesn't work for most of them and the enlightenment does not spread very far.

    Each individual has to do systematic experimentation, and if they do that, many will get enlightened but they will do it by different techniques.

    https://dougtoft.net/2018/03/02/toward-a-science-of-enlightenment-four-big-ideas-from-jeffery-martin/
    https://nonsymbolic.org/PNSE-Article.pdf

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  15. Sean S. Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Compose your character of truth and solidity and not deceit. Rock and not sand. Wow so wise.

    (That is sarcasm by the way).

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  16. XxxXNinja1992 Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Holy shit this gave me chills.

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  17. TheLastCheezCurd Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    He thicc

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  18. Ferdinand VonZeppelin Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Jordan "The Evidence Is Crystal Clear" Peterson

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  19. Leonhard Kuen Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Young Jordan <3

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  20. Matthew Kopp Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Wow! I like the old Peterson much better than the current Peterson persona.

    It is difficult today to simply be a genuine humble intellectual. The current culture demands that a person perform the role for a media audience.

    A psychologist I met, who knew James Hillman said he too changed when he was placed in the limelight.

    Marshall McLuhan was correct.

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  21. Kira S. Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Setting aside for a second the actual things that Peterson is saying, I must admit that what does scare me is the seemingly fanatical admiration that his followers have for him. It’s totally cool to be inspired by someone, to love their work, to find meaning in it, etc. But too many people elevate him to guru-like status. When being a fan turns into idolizing a human as if he were perfection personified, it becomes creepy at best, dangerous at its worst.

    (For examples of this, see comment section below. A lot of them talk as if Peterson is the greatest mind to ever have existed, while simultaneously acknowledging that he basically just reminds us of things we all know already.)

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  22. Kieren Moore Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Oh no, you don't conflate your nonsense with law … it's bad enough you get Marxism so wrong, and your love for "narratives" seems to mean that all religions are just fine in your eyes … stick to summarising research in psychology, Jordan – preferably, research someone else conducted, given how unscientifically-minded you seem …

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  23. Kieren Moore Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    My Zeus, he rambles … 🙃 The standard for public 'intellectuals' has clearly dropped sharply, since December 2011 …

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  24. Rose White Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Peterson pompously prattles philosophical platitudes purely pleasing to pseudo-sophisticates particularly partial to philsophical platitudes.

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  25. michael sorensen Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Brilliant and incisive as ever. God bless Jordan Peterson

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  26. lee Ware Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    There's a difference between religious and spiritual.

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  27. Asolar Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    WTF. Peterson is Geminis

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  28. John Ellis Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    EVIL — CANNOT DIE WITHOUT IT
    1. Evil existed before good, for good is the realm of life, while evil is the realm of death.
    2. Evil being death itself, it is a most essential part of reality, as it separates existence from non-existence, all that is in the grave, from all that has been spared the grave.

    3. Sin does harm to life and causes living things to be dead, while evil is the place of the dead. Therefore, the effect of sin is most ungodly, while evil is a most beneficial and godly thing.

    4. Organic matter is a living thing, even though it is putrid and decaying thing. But, if such slime did not suffer the evil of death, in time nothing on earth would be left alive except corrupting and all encompassing organic matter.

    5. By the same token, by God having created the realm of sin, it allows for erroring freewill created beings to live, move and have their being. For if our harm was not transferred to the realm of sin where repentance and mercy may end our death sentence, the only thinking beings left alive would be perfectionists who live in a perpetual state of fear.

    6. And the most essential and beneficial part of evil, is how it directs our thoughts toward repentance and the need to gain forgiveness from those we have harmed. For who would seek God's mercy if they felt no need for if?

    7. And so, an eternal burning hell has to be fiction. For the very thought of hell destroys the desire for repentance, leaves no room for forgiveness and makes mercy impossible. For a realm of the living dead, such a thing would make it impossible for the realms of life, sin and evil to work in harmony to establish all the decency and harmony we know and love in reality.

    8. As the realm of sin was created by God for a most beneficial purpose, surely, Christ crucified was for a more grand and awesome purpose then to appease the vengeance, in a God of mercy that has no room for vengeance. For to end the anger, vengeance and guilt in out mind, character and personality, to open the door to salvation for you and me, now that is just the way that God of ours does things.

    9. Therefore, remember that the only way to love God is to create the only thing that He cannot create, the only thing that we can create without help from God, a grateful heart for all the goodness in God.

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  29. The Church History Channel Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    Having listened to Jordan Peterson's first talk with Sam Harris on the nature of truth and discovering that Peterson is a pragmatist who states that something is true when it's true enough, that it's true if it's useful, I now realise that this is the real reason he's so slippery on the subject of God. He definitely does not have a Fundamentalist, literalist belief in God. He believes in the utility of God. I think he feels that he must believe in God in order to have morals and meaning, and this is justified under a pragmatic view of truth being defined as that which is "true enough". When he debated an atheist woman on the Unbelievable? podcast the woman said she gave meaning to her existence herself. He shook his head at this and questioned whether she could get any meaning without God. Or least he implied it. I think deep down he's not a believer in the literal sense, but requires belief in order to stave off what he feels would be the inevitable destructive nihilism that would take its place.

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  30. Billy Bees Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    He looks like a intellectual sacha baron Cohen

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  31. ESOL Posted on July 31, 2019 at 7:41 am

    God is real, and he is a result of high intellegence, good morals, and a divine connection to your unconcious. He can be summoned thoroughly by people who possess these traits. He is not an entity, just our survival instinct; he is not an exterior force, he exists in our brains.

    People who have gotten revelations, are people with Schizophrenia, who possess these traits. Examples are Muhammed, Buddha, and Jesus.

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