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What duck sex teaches us about humans, incels, and feminists | Richard Prum


Richard Prum: According to aesthetic evolution,
animals are agents in their own evolution; that is, through their choices they end up
shaping their own species. One of the implications of this idea is a
new perspective on what happens when mate choice is infringed or violated by sexual
violence or by coercion in animal species. One prominent example of this, from our own
research, is on duck sex. Ducks are unusual among birds in having both
a typical mate choice situation—where male and females pair up on the basis of display
and preferences—and simultaneously other individuals that force copulations on female
ducks as they approach reproduction. So what that means is that as the eggs are
being laid, females have to defend themselves from forced copulations by males. Now “forced copulation” is the word that
biologists use now, but for over a century biologists used the word “rape” in biology. Now that was abandoned back in the 1970s in
response to the feminist movement and Susan Brownmiller and her work Against Our Will,
proposing and articulating a specifically social context for rape in humans. This led to the creation of a euphemism, “forced
copulation,” in biology. Unfortunately, articulating sexual violence
in the animal world with these euphemistic terms has led to scientists losing track of
the fact that forced copulation is against the will of the ducks. And by taking the aesthetic perspective and
trying to understand what it is that individual females—in this case ducks—want we have
arrived at a new perspective on what it means when they don’t get what they want. So in some ways using socially sensitive euphemisms
has led to imprecision or fuzziness in the science. In the case of duck sex what we find is that
males can force themselves on females because they’re among the few birds that still have
a penis. And what we find in ducks is, as a result
of female resistance and male sexual violence, we find a co-evolutionary arms race between
male capacity to force and female resistance. In this case it takes place in the form of
a genital arms race: the males evolve more elaborate and more elaborately armed penises,
and the females evolve convoluted vaginal morphologies that exclude the penis during
forced population. So among the many weird things of duck penises
is that they’re counter-clockwise coiled. Well, the female vagina (in ducks that have
high rates of resistance) actually coils in the opposite direction, so they have literally
evolved an “anti-screw” device in their vaginal tract that obstructs the intromission
of the penis during forced population. What that means is that what that tea party
Senate candidate Todd Akin from Missouri said about women “have a way of shutting that
whole thing down” in reference to rape is actually true of ducks. But in a way that exposes something fundamentally
new and interesting about evolutionary biology, which is that sexual autonomy matters to animals. Freedom of choice is not merely a political
concept discovered by suffragettes and feminists in the 19th and 20th centuries, but is actually
an evolved feature of the social and sexual lives of other species, especially in ducks. How does this work? Well if the female mates with the male she
prefers, that is she gets the green head and the “quack, quack, quack,” that she likes,
and then her male offspring will share those traits and be sexually preferred by other
female ducks who have coevolved those same aesthetic preferences. But if she’s forcibly fertilized, then her
male offspring will either inherit a random trait or one that she specifically rejected,
which means that her offspring will be less attractive to other females. So anything the female duck can do to prevent
forced fertilization, through physical resistance or behavior, will evolve because she will
be rewarded with more grandkids. So what this means is that aesthetic norms,
the shared ideas about what is beautiful among ducks, gives female ducks the evolutionary
leverage to advance their freedom of choice in the environment of persistent sexual coercion
and sexual violence. This is really stunning. In fact we know these ducks are so successful,
because in species where 40 or 50 percent of the copulations are forced only two to
five percent of the eggs in the nest are fathered by males who are not the social partner. What that means is that females have a 98
percent successful birth control device that is behaviorably deployable in the vaginal
tract in response to sexual violence. That’s like FDA approvable. And what that shows is the power of female
choice to advance the sexual autonomy of individual females. One of the interesting things we learned from
examining sexual conflict in ducks is that the genital arms race between males and females
is not really a fair fight. In fact the advances in male coercive capacity
are really about control over female outcomes. They are about controlling—physically controlling—fertilization. However, the counter measures that females
evolve are not actually about power or control, they merely reestablish the freedom of choice,
if you will the flat playing field in which individuals are free to choose who they like. Now this sexual autonomy is not actually about
control or control over other individual’s sexual outcomes. That’s fascinating because this asymmetry
between male coercion and female resistance in duck sex has really fascinating parallels
to a patriarchy and feminism in cultures today. So for example, patriarchy is historically—and
even in a modern sense—about coercive control over female reproductive autonomy, whereas
feminism is really an ideology of freedom of choice. So that same asymmetry between male power
and freedom of choice is elaborate and present today. And we can see this explicitly because patriarchy
and men’s rights and “incel” movements all articulate feminism as a countervailing
force of control over male reproductive outcomes, but that’s a fantasy. In fact sexual autonomy includes the freedom
to be rejected, which is a lesson that we learn from duck sex.

Otis Rodgers

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100 COMMENTS

  1. A_commenter Posted on June 11, 2018 at 11:15 pm

    the only topic you seem to have understood here is duck sex.

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  2. Alyx H Posted on June 12, 2018 at 12:08 am

    As a duck farmer. Lolwut? If my ducks get resistance to mating then they're going in the fryer and I'll get better birds that actually produce.

    Why is everyone coming up with reasons to cram buzz words into everything? Ducks and incels are not comparable. Wild ducks almost never rape. It's livestock that do lots of raping, and for good reason, humans have directed their development in that direction for the sake of better breeding.

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  3. Master Chief Posted on June 12, 2018 at 12:13 am

    Challenge: count the amount of time this man said “ah”

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  4. Freddy Atton Posted on June 12, 2018 at 1:57 am

    "on on uh uh…" : stammering and stuttering – I can't listen to speakers who don't speak clearly.

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  5. Jawad Mahar Posted on June 12, 2018 at 2:58 am

    worst speaker

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  6. DrasticPurpleHippo Posted on June 12, 2018 at 3:26 am

    One can also interpret this as genetics has put a hurdle in the way of male ducks which male ducks are evolving to overcome. Genetics works both ways. Also, this assumes that behavior in ducks is somehow transportable to humans and vice versa. In fact, this is a projection of human behavior onto a non-human animal.

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  7. Lennon Richardson Posted on June 12, 2018 at 4:41 am

    Don't F*ck like a Duck

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  8. Brently Bennett Posted on June 12, 2018 at 9:23 am

    These Elite White Supremacist psycopath scientist see humanity as animals and have been experimenting on human societies in the Western nations to destroy as insturcted by the demonic entitles they are in contact with, Feminism is a evil White Supremacist experiment to destroy dark skinned nations then as they succeeded they desided to get rid of the low level Whites never forget this.

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  9. Tobias Hagström Posted on June 12, 2018 at 10:20 am

    Good video, but this guy probably could benefit from a speech therapist.

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  10. Samwiseallmighty Posted on June 12, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    His Last comment is flawed neither is the oversimplified role of patriarchy only to control just female reproduction and/or sexuality nor is a feminist-Ideology as no Ideology a measure to increase freedom of choice, but to limit it.
    It cannot be compared,
    as the female adaptation to "rape" is not only physical, but also enforced be the lack of successful males to parent another Ducks offspring on a reliable basis, thus resulting in those Ducklings to have a gravely decreased chance of survival.

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  11. moallam1 Posted on June 12, 2018 at 1:09 pm

    @BigThink: May I have more ducks please? And also more of this guy? His presentation skills are impeccable. Just added another to my uplifting-to-watch list. SMH.

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  12. Pat S Posted on June 12, 2018 at 2:43 pm

    The ducks also aren’t high or drunk or desperate to star in a Hollywood movie…that’s an unfair advantage

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  13. lifeofnate Posted on June 12, 2018 at 10:42 pm

    bottom line is sex must always be on the female's terms–they serve as gatekeepers to evolution, making nature's judgement about who should reproduce and shouldn't…historically you don't get sex when you wanted

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  14. bamischijfje123 Posted on June 13, 2018 at 12:44 am

    The less rape, the better the genes

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  15. Punishment for Decadence Posted on June 13, 2018 at 3:43 am

    Ducks have instincts, not 'will'. Seriously fuck this channel, unsubbed

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  16. Dino Ramzi Posted on June 13, 2018 at 4:02 am

    Wow! How awful. I remember that justification for normalizing homosexuality is its existence in the animal world. So one could theoretically justify rape since it exists in ducks.
    So excluding the penis of the male attempting forced copulation would them be considered a useful adaptation for women. Maybe vaginal teeth would work? What better way to understand the natural world than to impose a non-empirically-based narrative (which Is a story we tell ourselves to make sense of the world, whether or not it is true.

    It seems to me the good professor proves the point he is trying to argue against with the very words he chooses: contraception is about power using feminine traits rather than the “coercive” control of masculine behavior.

    I suspect a matriarchy is just as oppressive as a patriarchy when analyzed with consistent logical processes. Which is just as well, since we are talking fictional narratives anyway.

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  17. Actionbastard Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:13 pm

    We have to purge these cultists from the higher education system before its totally a world wide joke.

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  18. MJ Merlin Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:14 pm

    Well these people featured on this channel are a lot like ducks. In the sense theyre all fucking QUACKS

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  19. stunningarrayof Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:33 pm

    "The Lady ducks"

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  20. Eric Hopper Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:34 pm

    This was interesting up until 8:00 where he goes completely off the rails and basically lies, dodges and makes a bunch of assumptions so he can stretch the application of this to humans. I have no doubt these ideas apply to humans, because they are true things about biology that apply everywhere, just not in the way he claims. It's kind of obnoxious.

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  21. DanCrippsey Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:38 pm

    This Quack has stared at Duck Vagina so long he's literally lost his mind.
    A life as saddening as it is shameful.

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  22. Ahab ColerChat Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:39 pm

    Your assigning too female ducks the ability to determine what are preferred characteristics in their offspring AND to be correct in that determination. Also if it is an arms race, it is one occuring over thousands of generations, in that context how much of an effect could any one female duck have?

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  23. costin saceanu Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:48 pm

    what the duck i just watched?

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  24. VinniDaCrackHead Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:50 pm

    So, basically this video is saying that if feminism didn't exist rape would be legal? I'm having difficulty understanding the point you're trying to make. I guess I missed the part in school were they explained that the societal ideologies evolved through biology and not through public discourse.

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  25. Chris Hudson Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:51 pm

    Please tell me what the killing of the cubs of the previous patriarch of the pride, so as to make the female lions receptive to their new male lion mate, has to do with the feminist patriarchy theory.

    Please tell me what the female praying mantis biting the head off of the male during copulation, has to do with feminist patriarchy theory.

    I mean since the mating rituals and reproductive mechanisms of ducks are relevant to feminist theory, surely the same would be true about any other sexually reproducing organism right?

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  26. trstenik100 Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    Feminism ducks up everything.

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  27. dy031101 Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:53 pm

    Feminism is its own parody.

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  28. GalacticusX Posted on June 13, 2018 at 5:54 pm

    How about the right of the male praying mantis not to get devoured alive by the female, after sex? Or is that perhaps the ideal "social paradigm" feminists strive for?

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  29. DeuPKay Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:00 pm

    This guy can't even string a proper sentence together and you expect us to listen to him? Give us a fucking break big think.

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  30. DrunkenRampage Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:04 pm

    This guy is on quack.

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  31. Joseph Wilson Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    Hey Richard, your bias in favor of Feminism is showing. It's still interesting to listen to but his conclusions are off. The ducks are even because what persists in nature is what works in that environment. Among humans it was the same way until Feminism came along. It didn't give women power where they had none, it gave them more power on top of what women already had.

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  32. Dave Entry Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:14 pm

    Countdown till this male feminist weirdo gets accused of all kinds of sexual impropriety.

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  33. BikeLion Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    Drinking game: Take a shot every time he says "uh."

    Hats off to anybody who can make it through the entire video without passing out 😀

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  34. HoneyBadgerRadio Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:25 pm

    Yes, we men's rights activists think women should stop raping men. Or unilaterally deciding that men should become fathers without their consent. Or determining whether or not men are allowed to find certain women unattractive. I guess that's "controlling women sexually." Except the first action is (presumably) a crime on the part of the woman, the second one is abuse according to the CDC and the last is women believing themselves entitled to men's sexual being.

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  35. RileyKaiSeeker Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    "…lead to 'scientists' losing track of the fact that "forced copulation" is against the will of the ducks" No it hasn't…unless you think all the scientists are so stupid as to not know what 'forced' means. (Although i'm assuming you mean all those evil, misogynistic scientists who reject feminist theory, as opposed to the good little male feminist 'scientists' like you) Also, interesting that you think animals have 'free will.'

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  36. Vancha March Posted on June 13, 2018 at 6:55 pm

    This guy is a…….. quack!

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  37. Its Just Jeremy Yo Posted on June 13, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    The data backing up the statements in this video must be fascinating. Written in glitter color wing ding fonts.

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  38. Never Simple Posted on June 13, 2018 at 7:18 pm

    COMING SOON: What a Marxist interpretation of the Standard Model tells us about the future's Proletariat-Bourgeoisie Dynamic. Then: How beliefs common in various forms of anscestor worship relate to the magnetic fields of newly formed red dwarfs. But, UP NEXT: 'Homeopathic Archeology, The Book of Mormon and Pan Sexual Dinosaurs.'

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  39. kromulous Posted on June 13, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    LOL

    'Violence'? It isn't just animals copulating or anything like that is it? Like u know, following their normal reproductive instincts outside the realm of humanities socially constructed standards surrounding this horribly sinful, sodom and gomorrah-esque, entirely oppressive and completely violent act of sex (oh the guilt of even typing the word). Are you sure it is specifically an act of violence? Will there be a government fund to provide counseling for the afflicted ducks or will they have to carry on stoically despite their hardships? Will we find a way to liberate the ducks from their sexual oppression? Will there be a duck pill and how will we administer it to protect all the ducks from the ravages of duck motherhood? Something I'm sure they couldn't ever possibly want. Could their evolutionary adaptation somehow be grafted into the human genome to protect human females in the same way it protects duck females; from violence; or can women evolve this by themselves; by freedom of choice, and how long will it take you to develop the treatment?

    Keep a stiff upper bill, he was just a 'rebel duck' who came from a bad nest. You can find better.

    Please, everyone go get layed… A lot.

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  40. Chrizzie 78 Posted on June 13, 2018 at 7:59 pm

    I had no idea so much stupidity could reside in and come forth from a professor… working at Yale no less.

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  41. Black Knight Fool Posted on June 13, 2018 at 8:44 pm

    What nonsense. It's about surviving for reproduction not necessary controlling.. You stupid man..

    Only women choosing does it make it free to choose for individuals. Why are radical feminist activists in our sciences? Did you test if they get traumatized? Lol, or is that socialized.

    They took the word rape out you make it seem unnatural so they can demonize males and make it fit with the heteronormative matriarchal mythology. Susan brownmiller is a radical feminist lesbian separatist nutbag who also thinks that all men consciously conspire to use rape as a collective despite men being the most competitive with other men.

    Birds are the descendants of DINOSAURS.

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  42. Tomáš Bastl Posted on June 13, 2018 at 8:46 pm

    This makes no sense. He is putting equivalence where is none.

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  43. Black Knight Fool Posted on June 13, 2018 at 9:33 pm

    Ducks are descendants of dinosaurs. Species want to survive and they are also competing with other species..

    This is just feminist Theory working backwards.. if anything this would just select for bigger, stronger and more aggressive male ducks. The opposite sex is a compliment not a competitor. Lol. This is not race..

    Pretty sure all species try to survive which depends on reproduction.. evolving hard-to-reach vaginas would be counterproductive to the survival of a species. This doesn't make any sense..

    Conflict between the Sexes rather than within a sex would be fatal to any species…

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  44. Russ Ian E. Lection-Hacker Posted on June 13, 2018 at 9:37 pm

    If male ducks jumping female ducks is rayp, then female praying mantises biting off the head of their mate after intercourse is #metoo.

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  45. Black Knight Fool Posted on June 13, 2018 at 9:50 pm

    Freedom of Choice was not discovered by feminist. Most feminist theorists are lesbians.

    I can tell because of the father's role is left out of the narrative.

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  46. TomatoBreadOrgasm Posted on June 13, 2018 at 9:58 pm

    "Through their choices, they end up shaping their own species" No, Richard, not in any immediate sense. Through our choice to pursue ever-advancing technology, sure, we have affected the course our evolution will take, but that still takes a long time.

    "articulating sexual violence in the animal world with these euphemistic terms has led to scientists losing track of the fact that forced copulation is against the will of the ducks. "
    Really? Then those biologists need to take a remedial English course, because that's what "forced" means.

    "Freedom of choice is not merely a political concept discovered by suffragettes and feminists in the 19th and 20th centuries"
    What the hell did they do to you, Richard? Just don't drink the Kool Aid, someone is coming to help you.

    "if the female mates with the male she prefers […] her male offspring will share those traits and be sexually preferred by other female ducks who have coevolved those same aesthetic preferences."
    If any of that is true, then female ducks of yore preferred male ducks who were rapey and had monster penises. Think before you theorize, you cretin.

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  47. MrEd Posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:03 pm

    The left are losing their minds… I didn't think it could get worse.

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  48. MrEd Posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:06 pm

    Seeing as most of your guests can barely think at all… turn this into "The big drink" where you give people 9 pints and see what they rant about

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  49. chris don Posted on June 14, 2018 at 12:22 am

    "Big Think"? Were you going for irony when you named your channel?

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  50. Quiet Ackshon Posted on June 14, 2018 at 12:38 am

    Good to know muh! Lady Ducks have free will. I lay awake at night concerned about radfem duck's agency.
    Think Big or think about stuff that is ducking dumb as duck.

    Disclaimer: No ducks were harmed in the making of this comment.

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  51. Paul Wray Posted on June 14, 2018 at 12:39 am

    I'd like to see a peer review on this rubbish.

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  52. TheLorebrarian Posted on June 14, 2018 at 12:41 am

    So let me summerize the video:
    Male ducks used their magical patriachy powers to bioengenier their sexorgans to control the females reproduction. Therefore Feminisms opposition to mens human rights is not about control! Since he was at it he also had to put incels and the MHRM in the same basket and implie that both only care about controlling women.

    Big Think more like Double Think on this one!

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  53. thezquad Posted on June 14, 2018 at 12:56 am

    What he ignores or is too PC to admit, is that rape is a biological technology aimed at introducing new genes into the pool. Leaving the females to cognitively make the decision as to which genes she prefers can lead to too many similar offsprings, ie offsprings with less genetic variability which can lead to a disaster for the species in the case of a new disease or changing environment. Rape essentially add genetic variability to the pool adding to genetic diversity.

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  54. h5n6q Posted on June 14, 2018 at 1:35 am

    Why not use animals to explain feminism? Animals and feminists have about the same IQ. And, no, this inane video deserved no more thought out response than this.

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  55. I am Posted on June 14, 2018 at 1:35 am

    1) Animals eat other animals; that's murder. Arrest those ducks for eating worms! 2) When your stylist asks you if you want your eyebrows trimmed, the correct answer is yes. (If I made a similar comment about a woman, people would criticize me, but you can do whatever you want to men and nobody cares.)
    3) As David Letterman once said, your doctor shouldn't giggle when he says the word "penis". This guy is whacky.
    4) Yale = cuckold

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  56. TheInsomniaddict Posted on June 14, 2018 at 1:54 am

    WOW! So you're saying that by restricting the use of accurate words from being used in a discussion, it can cause the understanding and preciseness of the incident to become muddied and unclear. How utterly mind-blowing, I wonder why anyone would do something like that. The other thing I took from this video was that there's evolutionary reasons why the top 80% of women would go after the top 20% of men. Because they want their male children to have a better chance to successfully copulate with future women who are aiming to get the top 20% of men. I'm not sure where patriarchy fits into this?

    Is it that patriarchy forces women to settle down with men outside of their "green head quack quack" zone? IF we're a monoamorous species, then we're one where most women won't want a partner around their own evolutionary fitness level, let's say about 40% have a chance with the top 20%. What about the rest of the women? Are they being kept down by the patriarchy for not being considered attractive enough to procreate with men they find attractive? Well, I guess it's a good thing we're not monamorous like ducks.

    NOTE: top 20% of men thing's taken from the OKCupid data that's about as common knowledge as duck penises.

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  57. Box Addict Posted on June 14, 2018 at 2:00 am

    Humans are not birds stop equating us with them

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  58. To Serve Man Posted on June 14, 2018 at 2:34 am

    It's not rape if it's in the ass.

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  59. Josh Brooks Posted on June 14, 2018 at 2:35 am

    This has to be one of the stupidest videos I have ever watched. I am dumber for having experienced it.

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  60. Marcara081 Posted on June 14, 2018 at 2:37 am

    No blinking. Whites of eyes above pupils. Yup, he's got the crazy eyes.

    And the mind to match.

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  61. FeroxCious Posted on June 14, 2018 at 2:45 am

    So you are saying women should evolve counter-screw vaginas to prevent getting raped. Hmmm interesting video.

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  62. E K Posted on June 14, 2018 at 4:12 am

    "feminism is an ideology of freedom of choice." …. tell that to the Sex-worker exclusionary radial feminists dip shit

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  63. dakkanTM Posted on June 14, 2018 at 6:35 am

    Won't Somebody Think Of the Agency Of Female [email protected][email protected]!~!

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  64. Nicholas Watson Posted on June 14, 2018 at 8:30 am

    You are a sexual deviant and i will not join your crusade in make people act like animals in our social or sexual lives thank you, We discovered fire for fucks sake you brainless sperg, Welcome to 2018 we no longer follow animistic ways of acting just because you build a pseudo scientific claim of the supposed moral values of animals that don't think twice before ripping each other to shreds in savagery, Every day we stray further from god and you are the abomination of that fact.

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  65. Pruus'n Hanna Posted on June 14, 2018 at 11:43 am

    So you're saying feminists are ducks? Seriously… I'm not even a biologist, but I can poke holes in this convoluted, far-fetched analogy.

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  66. Atheismo Posted on June 14, 2018 at 4:55 pm

    Pseudo Science at it's best.

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  67. Rampart 13 Posted on June 15, 2018 at 7:10 am

    Ya and seals take out their frustration on penguins sometimes. What of it. Ever heard cats going at it. It's loud. Hey feminist start a anti-rape campaign for cats. Ok.

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  68. Foileedify Posted on June 15, 2018 at 9:08 am

    So.. This is what happens, when we introduce the socialist lens of power structures, into biology? Everything is about power, everything is about control. You guys are interesting, we should start a study of your mentality, it must be a barren field, filled with landmines. At least that might advance human understanding of the world around them.

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  69. Eric Hopper Posted on June 15, 2018 at 2:54 pm

    You know, if absence of patriarchy means these kinds of lies about groups of people you don't like, I think patriarchy is a better option.

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  70. malignor Posted on June 15, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    Since when was freedom of choice not an expression of power?

    Consider the logistical economy of sexual reproduction… female reproductive availability is scarce compared to the abundance of male sexual availability. This scarcity puts female reproduction in demand. When females have freedom of choice, then the female sex has logistic control over reproduction for both sexes, male and female.

    That's a basic problem when you have a process which requires multiple parties (like sexual reproduction) and when there is unequal availability; It's true in any process which requires more than one type of participant. Think of any team activity like a sport or a workplace – someone is more in demand because their availability is limited. Giving that party the power of choice is the considerate choice, but it will always aggravate all the other motivated participants.

    But putting demand on the scarce party is good so long as morality is maintained. Demand translates to value – whoever is in demand becomes valuable and important. Hence why in Human society, men have always been risking danger, tragedy and even death in order to protect women and gain their favor. It may have began as sexual behavior, but among social animals, social behavior and sexual behavior are separate yet highly interdependent. This "risk your neck for women" has become not just sexual strategy, but a deeply rooted social trait (even if no sex is involved). This willingness by males to undertake personal risk is so common that it has become an entitlement to women; expected, demanded, and heavily normalized.

    The message of men's right as I see it:
    We don't want sex in return (because this is a social issue). We just want the sacrifices we make to be visible and to be acknowledged. We want to be seen as Humans for once, rather than just "more faceless soldier/workers to use, break and discard." Being taken for granted to such an extent that our suffering and sacrifices are unimportant so long as we provide… it's dehumanizing in the extreme.

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  71. razzledazzle15 Posted on June 15, 2018 at 5:09 pm

    So what you're saying is, we should model our society on ducks?

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  72. Harrison Posted on June 15, 2018 at 10:49 pm

    This guy hates his penis.

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  73. MaRk dAtheist Posted on June 16, 2018 at 12:55 am

    @Big Think
    This is embarrasing.
    I usually really appreciate your content, so this video was quite the horrible surprise.
    I dont know how this ideological tool passed your editorial process; but anyone who understands the basics of natural selection & evolution will quickly realize he is spewing nonsense & loose respect for your channel.

    What just happened here Big Think?
    I realize not everyone can be experts at everything but this was not even close to science – this is clear-cut ideological nonsense straight out of a cheap gender-studies class.

    You really need to be more careful about what content you feature.

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  74. jeff milligan Posted on June 16, 2018 at 10:42 am

    So feminism is simply a corkscrew against the patriarchy and not at all about power. Well that is rich.

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  75. Yeeart!! Aaaargh! Posted on June 16, 2018 at 10:46 am

    Hey you guys need a punchier slogan, might I suggest:

    "Big Think, no brain"

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  76. David Yeakle Posted on June 17, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    So when is the channel name changing to Cult Think?

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  77. David Yeakle Posted on June 17, 2018 at 1:07 pm

    How did a dude who can't even make it through one sentence without saying "uh" and/or pausing half a dozen times get on here? I think he might have some sort of mental disability. It's good that you're employing the handicapped, but couldn't you make him a janitor or something instead? This guy makes president "I have the best words" look like Shakespeare by comparison. He shouldn't be on camera.

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  78. Alice J Posted on June 20, 2018 at 1:54 pm

    Feminists=female version of incels

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  79. Daimo Posted on June 20, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    So when females have free will, they have more children. Why don't we see this trend in the feminist 21st century?

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  80. b1aflatoxin Posted on June 24, 2018 at 3:50 am

    Interesting.

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  81. John Undefined Posted on June 27, 2018 at 11:17 pm

    And when a mosquito bites me, that is against my will. In nature there is a lot of going against the will of another going on.

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  82. Mark N. Posted on June 28, 2018 at 3:23 am

    Imagine if women could force their vaginas closed, that would be so cool, and terrifying for straight guys I bet.

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  83. Steven Chong - Creative Corner Posted on June 28, 2018 at 11:39 pm

    Wow, talk about a weird anthropomorphosizing of human philosophical concepts onto duck biology. I am generally favorable to taking learnings from nature to inform our understanding of sex relations, and I'd totally agree that notions of sexual autonomy in human women is based on the same functions of utility for sexual control in the broader set of female-type organisms– but sexual motivations are not the only force driving human behaviors and systems, and it would be a logical fallacy if you tried to cast all outcomes and interactions being the result of "patriarchal control" and female freedom, if you tried to cast males as always trying to infringe on the rights of others and females never doing that. That's taking your concept to an extreme, but it warrants mention because it so often would be argued to the extreme in mainstream discourse today.

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  84. Denny Bennett Posted on July 3, 2018 at 10:15 am

    Wow! So many straw men, and false equivalences. That was some weapons grade feminist non-thought. Learn how to speak and think. This feminist rubbish is going to bite you eventually.

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  85. Questing Chris Posted on July 23, 2018 at 1:34 am

    So did you just watch half of Zefrank’s video on the duck and automatically scream “patriarchy”?

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  86. EarFarce4 Posted on July 25, 2018 at 11:34 pm

    What the fuck is this moron on about?

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  87. Ferocious Philosophy Posted on August 17, 2018 at 6:22 am

    if females dont use their eggs, they get scrambled. you know those dirty duck sluts want it… they're just shy. :p

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  88. Unity&Diversity Posted on September 20, 2018 at 12:22 am

    This guy is full of shit.
    My paycheck gets raped every week.

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  89. Matt Lambert Posted on October 6, 2018 at 10:35 am

    That's not how evolution works. The reason this has arisen is that being able to choose a mate (leading to better/stronger offspring) is favourable, not that female ducks don't like being raped and they chose to evolve a certain way. As a simple rebuttal, if ducks get to choose their evolution, why did male ducks choose to evolve penises with which they cannot rape females, thus propagating their genetic material? By contrast, if the female duck did not have the adaptation, it would propagate (presumably) less favourable genes, and the genetic line would not be competitive.
    What concerns me about this idea that choice determines evolution is that it hearkens back to Lamarck's acquired characteristics evolution, because it suggests that a female's choices during her lifetime are passed down to her offspring.

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  90. vladimir ikic Posted on October 8, 2018 at 10:12 pm

    That's why men train their bodies right. Not to look better but to penetrate effortlessly through that anti rape defence mechanism of the female. Did i get that right? Because men have right too to choose their offspring. AM I RIGHT? … I'm baitman.

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  91. KarmicBytes Posted on October 11, 2018 at 8:08 am

    I lost brain cells just watching this video.

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  92. Pat Posted on November 1, 2018 at 12:55 pm

    An extraordinary effort to ‘rotate’ the arithmetic which he quotes showing female ducks ‘have the running’ in selecting the next generation of ducks into some kind of human context in which a ‘matriarchy’ becomes a ‘patriarchy’

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  93. The Blooded Gamers Posted on January 8, 2019 at 9:35 pm

    Hey genius,
    That thing about duck vaginas is fake

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  94. Mr Furry The Brutal Posted on January 29, 2019 at 2:28 pm

    Durr uuh…Ummm uh umm ah uhhh…herp sure. Uhh… autism kicking in derp uuuhhh….

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  95. Nikhilesh Surve Posted on February 18, 2019 at 7:24 am

    It was quite interesting except for the unnecessarily forced patriarchy & feminist nonsense in this.

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  96. Emperor Palpatine Posted on April 19, 2019 at 8:31 pm

    4:23 – 4:54 lmao I just love how he just unwittingly proved incel ideology

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  97. spark300c Posted on June 4, 2019 at 11:07 am

    the thing is selective forces have very strong to cause this to be. there fore once has to do math to see it even a produce through evolution. to produce this trait through evolution majority of duck father through force sex have to die. that is just unbelievable. I believe majority of duck father through force sex will live through selective forces will be weak.

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