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Why Christians and Secular Leftists Disagree…


Christians and secular leftists disagree about
a lot of things. Religious faith, or the lack thereof, is a
strong predictor of how someone will feel about issues like sexuality, gender, marriage,
assisted suicide, and abortion. Have you ever thought about why we disagree
about so many big things? In order to understand our disagreements,
I think it’s helpful to first acknowledge where we agree. We all want people to be happy. Really. There might be individuals we don’t like
and grudges we carry personally, in general, we want other people to be happy and we want
to be happy ourselves. That’s a great start. Our differences, however, lie in the fact
that we have very different ideas about what will make people happy and we disagree about
what makes people happy because we have different views about the nature of our existence. Secularists believe the human existence is
random and purposeless. We were not created by anyone so we are not
accountable to anyone; we appeared out of nothing and will return to nothing. Because there is no creator, there is no moral
law and as a result, the best we can hope for out of life is to simply be happy. Which
we achieve by doing the things we believe will make us happy. Changing your gender will make you happy? Great. Want an abortion to fulfill your life plan
and find happiness? Outstanding. Want to marry someone or many people of the
same gender, multiple genders, or no gender at all? Who am I to judge? Christians share the hope that individuals
will find happiness, but believe happiness comes in a very different way. Christians believe the key to joy, which is
better than happiness, is not found by acting on our desires but by fulfilling the purpose
for which we were created. Christians also believe that each person has
been infected by sin which causes us to desire things that will not only fail to bring happiness
but actually lead to misery. For Christians, happiness is not the goal
but a byproduct of fulfilling our created purpose. Which often requires us to surrender our desires, to the moral law given to us by our Creator – for our benefit. If there is no moral law, family structure
and sexual behavior is merely a matter of preference. If we have not been created with a specific
purpose, changing your gender is no more significant than changing your shirt. But, if there is a creator and if our creator
has created us so that our mind, soul, and body are all distinct yet connected and designed to flourish to the extent they fulfill the purpose for which they were created, then good intentions
are no longer enough. A car may wish to run on water in order to
save the planet but will find mobility frustrating because that was not how it was made. But who is right about the nature of our existence? If the secularist is right, you would expect
those who indulge their desires and impulses most to be the most fulfilled. If the Christians are correct, the key to
happiness is found, in part, in our ability to deny ourselves and live for someone greater. As Jesus said, “whoever seeks to save his
life will lose it, but whoever will lose his life for my sake will find it.” If we want, we can continue arguing about
who is smarter or who has better intentions. But it may be more helpful to recognize the
things we actually agree on and then have a long conversation about what actually makes
people happy. After all, there’s where many of our political
quarrels are coming from anyway.

Otis Rodgers

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51 COMMENTS

  1. Fisher Man Posted on March 23, 2018 at 8:20 pm

    Nice and simple. Well said Joseph.

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  2. clif keen Posted on March 23, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    Christians and leftists disagree on a lot of things.

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  3. Jack Hartnett Posted on March 24, 2018 at 4:45 am

    Very good message though that initial cadence sounded quite annoying.

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  4. Smedley Butler Posted on March 24, 2018 at 6:41 am

    Secular leftists are all moral relativists whether or not they consciously recognize it. This is the largest difference.

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  5. Conr S Posted on March 24, 2018 at 7:49 am

    Fantastic presentation of the gospel. Thanks again Joseph

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  6. MattCharles Posted on March 24, 2018 at 11:36 am

    Great video! Keep up the fight in prayer and courage, we're with you👍

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  7. KA Lewis Posted on March 24, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    Odd that you point out the ways secular beliefs change and not the way we, as Christians, translate the Bible's meanings. For instance: We don't stone people for crimes of indecency. Read the Old Testament. People would stone a man who commits infidelity, the married woman he cheated with, the woman he was married to and the children he had so no further sin would continue from that family. One man's actions got at least four people killed. It also states in that same area that having sexual relations with an un-married woman while the man is married is fine as long as the man pays the girl's father a wife's wage. That sounds a lot like prostitution. …Which is a sin.

    It used to be a woman's place (according to the Bible and Christian following) that a woman's place was at home with the children. Now, thankfully, women work, vote and even preach in Christian establishments.

    My job as a Christian is not to judge the actions of others. That is God's job. I am not God or His equal. My job is to inform others so they can form a healthy relationship with Him. Demonizing people and talking down to them is a hard way to influence people to trust in His loving embrace.

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  8. Jake Dean Posted on March 27, 2018 at 12:16 am

    I disagree with the statement that because, according to some, we are not created by anyone, we are not accountable to anyone. That's not how a society could function. Just because I've not seen any evidence of a god or creation, doesn't mean I have no regard for myself, others, my community or my culture. You don't need religion to be moral, I'd say I live a better life with regards to morals than many religious people because I'm vegan, recycle, buy many things second hand to not waste resources, spent years of my life on scientific research (for very little pay), and am volunteering. You shouldn't push your beliefs or views on life on other people if they aren't harming others/you. What makes me happy is that I can live life on my terms, free from religious nonsense, and in a way which I think is good for me, my loved ones and my community.

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  9. Doug Brown Posted on March 27, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    Mr.Backholm, do you know of a good church in Portland, Oregon that makes sense the way you do? Thanks.

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  10. Henry Wade Posted on March 30, 2018 at 6:10 am

    6 leftists were triggered

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  11. Teen Vegans Posted on April 13, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    religion is bs. Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris ftw

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  12. Mimmy Julligan Posted on April 19, 2018 at 11:54 am

    I don't know what anyone would consider me because I find myself way more conservative than liberal but I do have liberal stances on certain topics…like marriage. Who is anyone to tell anyone else who they can love? Who is a gay person hurting by marrying one of the same sex? Just because it is not traditional doesnt mean it is wrong. Conservatives say truth is all that matters. Which they are consistent with when it comes to gender transformation but when it comes to gay love thats pretty inconsistent. Telling someone who they can and can't love goes against conservative principles and if God is as accepting and loving as Christians believe then I'm sure God would approve…

    "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you"

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  13. Dennis Feklistov Posted on April 29, 2018 at 5:45 am

    "Secular people have no purpose or morals." How could you say something like that?
    Genuinely, how could you, someone who I assume is a person living to help others and be the best you can, knowingly tell your audience that a massive collection of people is immoral and purposeless because they didn't grow up Christian or changed their minds?
    How shallow is purpose if only Christians can have it?
    Do you believe the only elements of purpose in life reside in the book, faith or lack-thereof that someone follows?
    To me, this is the textbook definition of "My Dad's better than your Dad" taken to its logical extension.
    I grew up in a religious household/environment therefore all people with differing beliefs must be immoral.
    What a horrid way to see the world, not only as a person, but as a Christian too.
    To misunderstand what purpose is so much that you think it comes solely from a book or faith and nothing else.
    If all morals came from the Bible or another holy book, no one would have ever been courageous and moral enough to put an end to the slave trade.
    After all, Exodus 21 explains how it should work, and Ephesians 6 clarifies the new law pretty well.
    "5: Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

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  14. killsourenemy Posted on May 4, 2018 at 3:54 am

    Majority of people in prison are Christians. Atheists make up the majority of scientists in almost every major field of study. The only reason you are Christian is because you happened to be born into a Christian family. If you were born in Iraq, you'd be a Muslim right now. You lack original thought and self-reflection.

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  15. FedKarpHitchAmer Posted on May 15, 2018 at 1:35 pm

    Hard to have a conversation when the secular worldview is so thoroughly misrepresented…

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  16. TheFluffyDuck Posted on May 16, 2018 at 6:02 pm

    “Atheists believe we came from nothing”, Well thats a bit of a straw man and a little bit of projection. Anyways, if you think believe you have a purpose from a diety, great. But atheists are not convinced yours is not any less man made than what drives them. Speaking of drives, not every atheist is driven by hedonism, as if that is the only choice. I am not a progressive by the way. I think there is a place for religion and peacefull respectful dialogue. The bible may not be true or accurate or moral in all stories, but it does have nuggets and great observations on the human condition. It is a foundational text that has influenced the west for the best part of 1800 years. We cant ignore that.

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  17. Jacob trogan Posted on May 17, 2018 at 9:17 pm

    The argument I have heard from secularism is that they do not need a God for morals, but can understand through biology that the immediate gratification of their desires does not bring the most biological success, and rather they cognitively decide that altruism is their best option

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  18. mrmiura story Posted on May 18, 2018 at 11:58 am

    Is so entertaining to see so brainwashed and unobjective christians on this video ALWAYS blaming others for there sins….

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  19. Max Guglielmelli Posted on May 27, 2018 at 5:10 pm

    This dude is too damn good! I am glad to have found this channel

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  20. Arthur Robinson Posted on May 29, 2018 at 6:25 pm

    Chritians don't believe any of this stuff. If they did they would still be stoning women and sacrificing bulls and oxen on the Alter and not collecting tides and offerings for their sins.

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  21. Guardian of Justice Posted on June 11, 2018 at 2:14 pm

    Well said thank you for your insight

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  22. ConservativeAtheist Posted on June 12, 2018 at 1:28 am

    I honestly believe that most people need something to believe in event if it isn’t true.

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  23. jfsfrnd Posted on June 12, 2018 at 4:38 am

    We disagree about people we dont know.

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  24. watchtheirhands Posted on June 12, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    Romans 1: 26-28  "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" …. repent and seek Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit

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  25. Tsuruta1 Posted on June 14, 2018 at 4:00 pm

    Christians:
    We believe in doing things God's way.

    Leftists: Oh you can believe in what you want,
    as long as you do it our way.

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  26. TiQuez Graham Posted on June 16, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    How dumb can u be not all secluers or of the left because our founding fathers were secular not all secluers are athiest your arguement is rediculous at best like seriously the mental gymnastics.

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  27. Mojibola Adeyeye Posted on June 20, 2018 at 12:04 am

    This guy is so amazing , I love this channel.

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  28. Leon Herperger Posted on June 20, 2018 at 11:32 am

    jesus, this is 2 months old? how many times must secularists debunk the morality argument?
    simply put, the purpose of life is to continue the species. we know this through innate behavior described by psychology.
    whether your god or not put these behaviors in us is unknown, but we do know our most basic impulse is sex, which your god made restrictive and narrow.
    now how much sense does it make to create a species with but one true innate desire and then tell it to repress it?
    do you even hear yourself speak?

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  29. 1969cmp Posted on June 27, 2018 at 4:04 am

    There are some good points that 'the left' aspire to to. Some or much of the good idea stem from the Biblical worldveiw. I.e. a basic welfare. Oops, some on 'the right' who claim a Christian world veiw seem to demonize a welfare safety net. ☺

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  30. Maximilian M. Posted on July 14, 2018 at 6:45 pm

    while I agree most said in the video i don´t think secular people don´t think there is a moral law. They still have some sort of it which usually goes like: "you can do whatever you want, as long as you don´t hurt anyone"

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  31. bugnutsrunnels Posted on July 16, 2018 at 6:16 pm

    Ah, another christian trying to translate reality to christians a reality he doesn't really understand. We normal people he refers to as "secularists" do not "believe" we are random and purposeless and came from nothing and will return to nothing. He is just parroting an example of the limits of christian understanding of physics and biology. And if christians are so hell-bent on following the teachings of their creator, why are they spending all of their time, like this guy, on convincing each other something they should already be living instead of forcing everyone else to recognize and validate their religious beliefs?

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  32. Shawn Posted on July 23, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    You do you bro…

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  33. chiffmonkey Posted on July 28, 2018 at 11:43 pm

    I appreciate the invitation to a dialogue, but it seems insincere. You wear the guise of empathy, but really you're just building strawman arguments to woo other people on your own side – which isn't really in the spirit of effective communication is it? Your own team already agrees with you. "You don't make peace with your allies, you make peace with your enemies."

    "Secularists believe that human existence is random and purposeless."
    1. You're confusing secularism with atheism. Secularism is the use of a-religious policies regardless of religious belief or lack thereof i.e. secular law. Atheism is just the lack thereof. Even if atheists didn't exist, heck even if other religions didn't exist, secularism is useful as a mediator between differences in religious thought – not just different denominations but even different individual interpretations, anecdotes, etc, and all the various things never mentioned by religion.
    2. Many atheists do not believe that human existence is random and purposeless. Did you know it's possible to be an atheist and believe in ghosts? It's not one ideology, just as theism is not one ideology.

    "We were not created by anyone, so we are not accountable to anyone."
    We were "created" by our parents. Does that mean we should be accountable to them? Being your creator doesn't give infinite authority, only a baseline level of respect.

    "We appeared out of nothing and will return to nothing."
    1. Again, not a universally accurate assertion. A lot of atheists believe in the concept of legacy.
    2. This is kinda true regardless of religious belief in terms of what happens here on earth isn't it? Sure religion may promise a heaven afterwards, but that doesn't change the void you leave behind here, as anyone who has ever mourned can attest to.

    "Because there is no creator, there is no moral law."
    1. Some atheists believe in objective moral law.
    2. Subjective moral law should not be disregarded as a valid form of moral law. That's basically the idea behind every judicial system in the west.
    3. As a rebuttal – the existence of a creator would not imply the validity or justness of their given moral law – only their early claim on the idea and ability to enforce it.

    "The best we can hope for in life is to simply be happy."
    I see what you're getting at with this, but you really underestimate a lot of atheists here. Yes you get the vapid lefties who live their lives chasing constant frivolous happiness highs, but anyone with half a brain can see they will have deathbed regrets. Atheists are quite capable of living life for purpose – you simply cannot comprehend the idea of finding (or making) that level of purpose outside the tenets of a religion.

    What if I told you that the biggest happiness kick of them all is religion. You're actually attacking your own side.

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  34. Tracy Bowlin Posted on August 1, 2018 at 3:10 am

    Wrong secular law stops people from hurting others physically

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  35. Tracy Bowlin Posted on August 1, 2018 at 3:12 am

    Just let people do what they want in a free market if they don't hurt you

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  36. Yin Yang Posted on August 18, 2018 at 2:36 am

    If you Radical-Religious terrorists stopped controlling&imposing on others then mayhap people won’t think of you as less than shit 🤗

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  37. Yin Yang Posted on August 18, 2018 at 2:42 am

    and what a dipshit,

    I know shit ton of Secular folks are NOT Leftist

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  38. Sean Foley Posted on August 26, 2018 at 6:03 am

    I don't think you need a video for this they don't care about making people happy except on the left and illegal immigrants and sodomites and people who suffer from gender dysphoria that they trying to normalize it. They welcomed in the Church of Satan they are for abortion they treat Planned Parenthood like it's their church.
    They support political violence against speech. Bad trees do not produce good fruits and by their fruits you will know them.
    They're trying to normalize pedophilia.

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  39. Pierre Vallet Posted on August 29, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    Christians, as the other believers, have problems with the reality of the world and should spend more time in their spiritual link with their god than want to impose their idea to the society. I don't care that you believe in fairies tales for adults, I don't just want that the rules come from these fairies tales

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  40. StaryKaw Co Posted on September 8, 2018 at 8:32 am

    Im muslim and Im happy there are still christian left. to fight the truth. If all christians gone scular and liberal. Who else gonna help the world from our sins? I miss 90's world without these mess up things.

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  41. will new Posted on September 25, 2018 at 12:13 pm

    Now do one in the greed driven right. Christians need to know that demonizing the poor and coveting material wealth is not biblical. Far too many lukewarm don’t want to lose their life for Jesus. They want to find a big house, full bank account, vacation package, and golf course membership, all in a city where they don’t have to look one homeless person in the eyes.

    The secular left is absolutely wrong, but no one is fooled by their obvious offenses against God. It’s the wolves in sheep’s clothing that are never discussed.

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  42. valentino1000 Posted on October 16, 2018 at 8:20 am

    Thanks for opening the discussion and focussing on what we have in common.
    But I have to tell you that atheists are not less moral or purposeful than Christians. Actually, it looks like even Christians can be called only moral if they make their own moral choice instead of following religious orders, especially when it comes to situations people didn't know anything about 2,000 years ago.
    Moral values can be found around the world, and they're pretty much the same among various religions and among atheists.
    Also, you will find radical hedonists among Christians as well as in other religions and among atheists too.

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  43. Elaine McMurren Posted on November 11, 2018 at 9:15 am

    If your relatives are committing adultery or any other sins of the flesh, you must cut them off. Lust is progressive, they always have to do crazier and more violent acts in order to get their thrills. You can’t be nice to an adulterer because the instant your back is turned, he’ll rape your child (his own grandson). They become unfathomably worse with age. Be wise. Your enemy prowls about the earth seeking whom he may devour.

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  44. Pedro Vasquez Posted on November 14, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    I know its hard to understand cause everybody wants to do the right thing whether you believe in God or not. I m a believer and i dont always do the right thing but try to do whats right for others and sometimes its telling the consecuences of choices we all make brings problems and they affect others also by believing in Gods purpose i make other peoples lives better

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  45. drakke125 Posted on November 17, 2018 at 11:27 pm

    Changing the gender is as insignificant as changing a shirt for one's preference
    Too true.

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  46. KillGui007 Posted on January 28, 2019 at 12:23 pm

    Secularist do not believe that the human existence is random and purposeless. It is not random since evolution is not random (natural selection), it is not purposeless since we make our own purpose! Accountability to someone is not important for us to be good, we do it because we think it is the right thing to do. An absence of a creator does not mean there is no moral law. There are very few secularist that believe there is no moral law, the vast majority does think there is such a thing (although not in the sense that is never changes).

    Your car analogy is utterly flawed since we know with absolute certainty the car is designed with a purpose. This does not go for a human, since there is no concrete (scientific) evidence that shows we are created for a specific purpose.

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  47. hipnopotamussus Posted on February 18, 2019 at 9:37 pm

    Your god is nothing but ego, everyone is already whole and heaven is all of reality.

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  48. The ManHart Family Posted on March 24, 2019 at 12:42 am

    But the conservatives have funded wars and dictatorships around the world. Their interest is not even moral views of society but their economic growth no matter what. We all Christian know how Jesus dealt with this matter in the Bible so nop…I can't agree on how they use that morality and the Word of God for economic/power puroses.

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  49. Php419 Posted on June 20, 2019 at 1:03 pm

    This was so good. Very helpful. Thank you.
    Just one little comment: There is no difference between happiness and joy – biblically speaking.
    https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/is-happiness-different-from-joy

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  50. heehee mefunny Posted on August 20, 2019 at 8:45 am

    I suppose I might be a secular, left-wing or left of centre person. But a questioner. I think you may be using atheism and secularism interchangeably, when I don't consider them the same. I think of secularism as more a universal language, good to default to when you're trying to bridge with people of different belief systems, cultures, etc. Like stripping it down to the basic languaging and human things we all understand. For example, when Christians talk bible language, it's a shorthand for them, but not for me. I start glazing over because I don't know that story. If you translated that into a language non-Christians would understand, then I think we'd have common ground and could talk about it. To me I suppose secularism is non-religious, but not necessarily meaning the person has no spirituality, it may just be a tool. I suppose I'd also use the term for ex-religious people, though they may have just left the religion, but their thoughts would likely still be with it. Like I listen to many secular Muslim (aka ex-Muslims) talks, as it's interesting to hear their perspective.

    All that aside, I just found your channel yesterday and I absolutely love it. To me you talk in a language I understand, and I can tell all of you broke down issues to their core essence, and challenge them in a smart way and a respectful way. The respectful way is so refreshing. Like the video questioning people on their acceptable discrimination – brilliant. Or how you explained things to the trans protestors… so calm, careful with your words. I'm definitely a fan.

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  51. Hatam Tamimi Posted on August 21, 2019 at 4:19 am

    What can answer our moral questions is nothing but science.

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